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[LateNiteDelight]

To each their own - I could care less about the story of Wildlands or Breakpoint. A decent story can carry ok gameplay, but good gameplay requires just a fig leaf of story for me. I'm here to shoot bad guys in various ways. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don't play games for stories, that's what Movies, TV, & books are for [for me].

[ArgimonEd]

Ghost Recon was invented by Ubisoft [in 2001]. It has jack all to do with Tom Clancy other than being loosely based around his universe and concepts - thanks to licensing. All of the "books", along with Splinter Cell, Endwar & HAWX were written by them under the name David Michaels.

Mr. Clark was a Navy Seal. Afterward he "drifted" for a good long while. That could easily have been cover, while he was a Ghost before deciding to fight terrorism. Double bonus, it could be a prologue setting up the next Rainbow game, with Mr Six himself

Your analogy is dumb, but I like your stance on Zombies & Unicorns.

Edit: typo on me phone

If you dont care about story, lore and etc.
Care only about gameplay and shooting bad guys.
Why dont you go play warzone? MW? Instead of antagonizing other people who are fan of the story (plot wise) for being fans of the story and wanting good story mixed with good gameplay.
Because with the statement quoted above ^ and your attitude of falling back whenever someone calls you out, you just shown a juvenile bigotry and I'm really finding you to be unpleasant.

[LateNiteDelight]

If you dont care about story, lore and etc.
Care only about gameplay and shooting bad guys.
Why dont you go play warzone? MW? Instead of antagonizing other people who are fan of the story (plot wise) for being fans of the story and wanting good story mixed with good gameplay.
Because with the statement quoted above ^ and your attitude of falling back whenever someone calls you out, you just shown a juvenile bigotry and I'm really finding you to be unpleasant.

Ok?

I'm unclear where the bigotry was - do you have a special definition I'm unaware of? Also, did I miss the open world semi-tactical shooter part of Call of Duty? Have I missed the part where Call of Duty supposedly has good gameplay? Have they ever had a good story?

Is this outrage for the sake of outrage? I thought it was cool that Micheal B Jordan was a fan, and thought it would be enjoyable if he was the main character in the next game. Then I was accused of being everything that has caused the demise of the franchise - doesn't seem like I was the antagonizer - doubly so when I agree with the forum on Breakpoint being a bastardization at launch. Except I had the fortitude to not buy it until after they removed the GS bologna.

Am I wrong, did Tom Clancy actually write a Ghost Recon book [could be, just a casual reader of his]? Or were they just a part of the universe he created? Are people not allowed to play games for different reasons? Are people who don't believe in a strict constitutional interpretation of the Clancyverse not allowed to play or have an opinion about the game?

Feel free to highlight the error of my ways so I can be a better forum denizen moving forward [not being a ****, I realize I'm new, so I apologize if I crossed an unspoken boundary].

[ArgimonEd]

The bigotry is in, you antagonize, people call you out, instead of...oh hey my bad, I was wrong about that thing that I talked about without actual knowledge (The whole story behind Ghost Recon and Who created it).
Nah, you fall back to a quirky remark trying to bait others.
Someone calls you out again and you go to be ironic and mock.

The bigotry is in the fact that you go saying that a good story shouldn't matter, when people have been complaining since before this game launched, when they defend why story matters to them.
You are ironic.
When you get called out, suddenly is...Yo respect my preferences, to each its own....
Ah, why isn't it to each it's own when you started your whole mockery demeanor?
This is the exact opposite of keeping a civil debate

[Mars388502]

Still haven't seen that movie, but as someone stated before, it's never easy to fit a book in a movie and details get lost, if not other elements because the médium is totally different.

Lord of the rings weren't all copy pastes from the books for that very reasons and choice were to be made to fit each the movies in a 4 hours format. Nevertheless I enjoyed the movies despite all their critics. Closer to us, Dune was a serie of novels and one of the was adapted in a movie of 4 hours by David Lynch (which is still fairly long). A reboot of that movie, by Denis De Villeneuve is scheduled for summer this year, will it be as interesting as the one from David Lynch, will he had made the same choices, will he explore other dimensions in the universe of the saga? Personally, I don't know, but I really like the realisator and his photography so I will certainly watch that movie (it's ashame that I won't be able to watch it in a cinema on a big screen... F U covid).

All this just to say, that making a movie out of novel is really difficult because the medium isn't the same and choice are to be made. Making a movie set in todays world from a novel written 30 years ago and set it in todays world, that must be really hard.

I still need to read the book to understand the transition between the 2 médiums and some of the characters. In the worst case scénario, it looks like a decent action movie.

[LateNiteDelight]

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Wow, ok. I was just going to let it be, but that was a real humdinger of word salad. Not only do you not have any clue as to what bigotry is, you threw irony onto the pile.

Me not finding the story of Wildlands or Breakpoint much better than Generic Military Story #XYZ, does not invalidate my enjoyment of the universe in which it sits or the gameplay they offer [I loved the mechanic of how it was told in Wildlands, but the story itself wasn't terribly compelling - and I thought it was neat we dealt with the company that supplied our optical camo in Breakpoint, plus I did like the flashbacks developing Nomad & Walker, even though I didn't care for the mechanic or the drones or well, a lot]. The best way I can describe it, is that I view Tom Clancy as the George Lucas of Clandestine storytelling. He created an amazing Universe, with interesting story lines and some iconic characters. But he's not infallible. His storyline isn't iron clad, nor was it planned out from day one. My suggestion was along the lines of thinking it would be cool if there was a rebel story [like Rogue One], that happened to have Han Solo leading them for a brief stretch, because I think that would be fun.

Suggesting that was like walking into Football as a non-fan and asking to remove passing was a dumb analogy. That analogy would make sense if I said I want the next Ghost Recon to be a solo military shooter, staring Michael B Jordan, that completely removes co-op and AI Teammates. Suggesting I was on the same level as someone wishing for Zombies & Unicorns was of similar, but tongue in cheek, overreaction to an innocent comment.

Anywho, I'm sorry if I was snarky, yesterday was a **** day and apparently that bled into my forum communication. For the record, I really dig the whole Clancyverse [I also play/played Rainbow, Division & Splinter Cell]. I've plowed through probably a dozen of his books on vacations over the years as well as watched each movie a handful of times - but it's quite evident now that some here are much, much more serious about their Clancyverse than I.

On topic: this movie looks cool, I like Michael B Jordan - I too am curious as to how this affects the future of the Tom Clancy Universe.

[ArgimonEd]

" obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion."
Like when you antagonized people 3 different times for them saying that story and being close to the novels and maintaining the older style of games was important to them....
That is the definition of bigotry, sorry to tell you.

And yeah, the mockery and irony.


Back on topic, the catalog and release dates for it on amazon prime is different in Brazil then from the test of the world, will take a long while for me to watch this movie, but I'm excited.
Ps: Sorry El_C

[LateNiteDelight]

" obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion."
Like when you antagonized people 3 different times for them saying that story and being close to the novels and maintaining the older style of games was important to them....
That is the definition of bigotry, sorry to tell you.

And yeah, the mockery and irony.

Back on topic, the catalog and release dates for it on amazon prime is different in Brazil then from the test of the world, will take a long while for me to watch this movie, but I'm excited.
Ps: Sorry El_C

Ah, English is not your first language - makes more sense now - I apologize.

You left out the most important part of the definition, without which it's not Bigotry. Nor was it obstinate or unreasonable, but that's just belaboring the point. I also did not mock anyone, and I didn't rain on anyone's wedding day

Mockery would be:

"I apologize for failing to understand that being a Clancyverse Guardian™ was a protected class, defined by an immutable characteristic. My bigotry has brought me much shame, and I now come to you, hat in hand, seeking redemption at the alter of his Lord & Savior, El Clancy "

Ironic Mockery [Sardonic] would be:

"Great job Clancy Police™, you've solved another harrowing case of the Anti-Ghost Interloper, ensuring the best possible future for this vaunted & hallowed franchise*, that has no rival in both it's history or adherence to an infallibly coherent story arc. You've caught me red handed, I shall bid you adieu and hence forth attempt to ruin Destiny into my preferred gaming style via forum sea-gulling

*Chasing away non-hardcore fans is how you kill a AAA franchise, so good job? As the Italians like to say - don't cut off your *male anatomy part*, to spite your wife"

[El_Cuervacho]

Ps: Sorry El_C

It's fine, man, I hardly have anything to contribute to the forum nowadays anyway, I might as well become a CM.

[ArgimonEd]

Ah, English is not your first language - makes more sense now - I apologize.

You left out the most important part of the definition, without which it's not Bigotry. Nor was it obstinate or unreasonable, but that's just belaboring the point. I also did not mock anyone, and I didn't rain on anyone's wedding day

Mockery would be:


Ironic Mockery [Sardonic] would be:

Here is the full definition:

in particular, prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

This is the part I didn't quote.

There is also another definition

"the fact of having and expressing strong, unreasonable beliefs and disliking other people who have different beliefs or a different way of life"
From Cambridge dictionary.

As for english, both english and Portuguese are my mother languages, as I learned both simultaneously as my father is a native speaker.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This is mockery.

(Me not finding the story of Wildlands or Breakpoint much better than Generic Military Story #XYZ, does not invalidate my enjoyment of the universe in which it sits or the gameplay they offer [I loved the mechanic of how it was told in Wildlands, but the story itself wasn't terribly compelling - and I thought it was neat we dealt with the company that supplied our optical camo in Breakpoint, plus I did like the flashbacks developing Nomad & Walker, even though I didn't care for the mechanic or the drones or well, a lot]. The best way I can describe it, is that I view Tom Clancy as the George Lucas of Clandestine storytelling. He created an amazing Universe, with interesting story lines and some iconic characters. But he's not infallible. His storyline isn't iron clad, nor was it planned out from day one. My suggestion was along the lines of thinking it would be cool if there was a rebel story [like Rogue One], that happened to have Han Solo leading them for a brief stretch, because I think that would be fun.)
This is deflection, because in no moment I said that you not liking story made you enjoy any less, I said that you telling others they shouldn't care about story and all that matters is gameplay is unpleasant, because no one was "snarky" at you due to your preferences.

(Am I wrong, did Tom Clancy actually write a Ghost Recon book [could be, just a casual reader of his]? Or were they just a part of the universe he created? Are people not allowed to play games for different reasons? Are people who don't believe in a strict constitutional interpretation of the Clancyverse not allowed to play or have an opinion about the game?)
Again, both irony and deflection, at no moment anyone including myself said that you are not allowed an opinion because you play games for different reason...
Want evidence?
Here's my comment:

If you dont care about story, lore and etc.
Care only about gameplay and shooting bad guys.
Why dont you go play warzone? MW? Instead of antagonizing other people who are fan of the story (plot wise) for being fans of the story and wanting good story mixed with good gameplay...

You are the only person who is being a tool at others for their preferences.
They said they didn't wanted the whole universe to be reset.
Your snarky response was that you dont care about it....

Ah, English is not your first language - makes more sense now - I apologize.

More mockery, I dont go the extra mile to write correctly on the internet, it's tiring, it has too many rules to which I dislike and I'm always in a hurry.
It's the internet, I dont need to have 100% correct writing, I'll do so when I have to take a test or write something important.


*Chasing away non-hardcore fans is how you kill a AAA franchise, so good job? As the Italians like to say - don't cut off your *male anatomy part*, to spite your wife"

Funny, I have to just watch as you do exactly that to more hardcore fans, saying that you couldn't give a **** about what they prefer?
Why do you ask for respect of your preferences, when you cant leave others alone?