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[Rework_Jorm_plz]

Can somebody please explain to me what did the shirtless big boy do to become the worst and weakest vanguard class hero in the game?
He literally has no neutral bashes, option select or undodgeable attacks, or attack-dashes to catch enemies who try to flee, hell, he got his Storming tap needlessly butchered. I do understand that he can viable in 4v4 but as a duelist, he is easily outmatched by half of the existing roster.
Oh yeah, he has slippery as Tier 4. SLIPPERY ON THE FIFTH YEAR OF THE GAME
P.S: we don't talk about his hideous fashion

[MCBooma16]

I agree. He's fine in 4s, but if I fight a competent duelist in dominion somewhere on the battlefield it's usually a chore to try and deal some decent damage. Heck, Raider still has his 3 light chain titled "Chop and Poke" and the mid chain light doesn't even poke anymore.

The light animations are just bad, as well as some heavy to storming tap transitions. There's no neutral pressure or option selects, which automatically puts him kind of low. Every good character has some sort of bash for turtles, and the ones that don't tend to suck in the game. Stunning tap could probably return, but it shouldn't stack.

[Knight_Raime]

He had viable offense and as we know when you have viable offense people will scream about it until Ubi listens.

Mean joke aside I don't think he's the weakest vanguard. I think that belongs to Kensei. Raider definitely needs some love though.

[MrBdur]

I personally find Raider to be a monster in duels. Back step light to hyper armored heavies and just switch between letting them fly and the 2 soft feint options. Win.

[Sanguinius-IX-]

Can somebody please explain to me what did the shirtless big boy do to become the worst and weakest vanguard class hero in the game?
He literally has no neutral bashes, option select or undodgeable attacks, or attack-dashes to catch enemies who try to flee, hell, he got his Storming tap needlessly butchered. I do understand that he can viable in 4v4 but as a duelist, he is easily outmatched by half of the existing roster.
Oh yeah, he has slippery as Tier 4. SLIPPERY ON THE FIFTH YEAR OF THE GAME
P.S: we don't talk about his hideous fashion

You're right, it would need to be adjusted a bit, standardise its light chains to 500ms like all the other heroes.

If you are interested below in the link there is a rework where he explains many of his problems and how to solve them:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitive...aider_updates/