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    YodaMan 3D's Avatar Senior Member
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    Target Loot Question?

    When farming Targeted Loot, shouldn't the Targeted Loot be dropping in the Final Battle of a Mission?

    Past few days have ran many missions that I'm not getting any of the Targeted Loot for the Final Battle. RNG is bad enough, but it has made Targeted Loot just as worthless.
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    Not sure what you mean by "final battle", but named enemies should drop targeted loot at 100% rate, no matter which difficulty or directives you run.
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    In enemies that have guaranteed drops such as bosses they still drop targeted loot
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    Been playing off and on since Friday morning. I have been farming for a certain things. I noticed running missions that the bosses was not dropping the targeted loot. Then today playing the Summit and that was when I started seeing more targeted loot .
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    For what it's worth, I was looking for some targeted loot yesterday at World Tier 5 (thinking it would be an easy way to scarf up some stuff to donate for projects I really didn't care that much about) and felt serious pain, though I can't tell you whether it's bad RNG or the targeted drops really are that rare.

    The second was Badger in the Grand Washington Hotel mission on Hard difficulty. I got one piece. (I don't recall whether it was dropped by the one named boss or somewhere else, but my guess is it must have been the former, from what others say here.) Perhaps not that unreasonable; there's not a huge amount of loot there.

    But I also spent more than an hour in Federal Triangle, targeted for Murakami, opening world loot boxes, doing events, and doing a side mission. After what I'm quite seriously sure was on the order of a hundred boxes and drops, I got three pieces. This included several drops from elites wandering about, though I don't think any of them were named.

    Come to think of it, having now read this thread, I probably should have done some bounties in Federal Triangle. My guess is that the chances of a targeted loot drop from anything other than a named enemy is very low, on the order of a few percent. Does that sound right? (I feel like I was getting more than that previously, but I wasn't paying too much attention.)
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    YodaMan 3D, targeted loot has a chance to drop along (only) with any regular loot dropped from monsters.
    At heroic it's 50%, at leg - 60%
    Each directive increase this by 3%, so i.e. heroic +5 directives will give you 65% chance to get targeted loot
    Regular loot has it's own chances and not affected by difficulty or directives, afaik
    There is a chance, that targeted loot will be replaced with named item (3-5%) or exotic (1-2%), iirc


    Named monsters has 100% chance to drop targeted loot, always.

    Chests has 15% to give targeted loot, always too.
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    For what it's worth, I just ran my daily bounties on the same character (Wolrld Tier 5) as I used yesterday above, grabbing a fair amount of open-world drops (chest and from enemy) along the way. For all of these (open world and bounty enemies) I got 19 targeted items from 36 drops. Five of these were named enemies, so excluding that it gave me 14 targeted items from 31 drops. That's clearly enormously higher than my rate yesterday, enough to be statistically improbable for one or the other rates.

    If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd say the game checks what I need for projects and reduces loot drops for them. But would the designers, clearly concerned about fairness and avoiding too much frustration, really do such a thing? I suppose the game could have been somehow broken, but that would be a pretty odd bug. "Bad luck" or "good luck" is statistically unlikely at this difference in rates. The most plausible explanation I can come up with is that there's either something I don't understand about targeted loot drops or I was very grossly miscounting the number of drops I picked up yesterday.
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    This thread on Reddit is I think still the best explanation and summary on how Targeted Loot works an what the chances are.
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    Originally Posted by CategoryTheory Go to original post
    (...) For all of these (open world and bounty enemies) I got 19 targeted items from 36 drops. Five of these were named enemies, so excluding that it gave me 14 targeted items from 31 drops. That's clearly enormously higher than my rate yesterday, enough to be statistically improbable for one or the other rates.(...)
    What is always causing a bit confusion about how many drops from Targeted Loot you actually got is the fact that the game will mark a regular drop which happens to be the same as the selected Targeted Loot also as Targeted Loot.

    Example:
    You are farming ARs. A regular mob drops a holster as regular loot (which is a prerequisite for getting Targeted Loot) and an additional AR, which then is an actual Targeted Loot drop.

    The next mob drops regular loot and no Targeted Loot. But as the regular loot can be aaaaaany loot, thus also ARs, this loot happens to randomly be an AR. As stated before: this AR is a regular drop (as actual Targeted Loot drops can only happen additionally to a regular drop, never alone). The game will nonetheless mark this loot as Targeted Loot.



    What also could be a reason for varying rates of Targeted Loot: the kind of loot you were farming as Targeted Loot.

    Because as previously mentioned, the loot you chose to farm as Targeted Loot can still also drop as a regular drop. So we need to look at the chances of this specific loot dropping from the regular loot pool.

    Example:
    If you are farming the Rigger Gear Set as Targeted Loot, each one of the six Gear Set pieces could also drop as a regular random drop from the entire loot pool. But as there are only six items within the pool, those chances are rather small.

    If you are now farming holsters as Targeted Loot you will have 23 holsters from Brand Sets and 12 holsters from Gear Sets in the loot pool, which all will be marked as Targeted Loot when they drop as regular loot.

    So with 6 pieces for the Rigger Gear Set but 35 holsters within the regular loot pool, you are much more likely to receive more loot marked as Targeted Loot when farming for holsters (due to the regular drops only marked as Targeted Loot).
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    Originally Posted by Noxious81 Go to original post
    What is always causing a bit confusion about how many drops from Targeted Loot you actually got is the fact that the game will mark a regular drop which happens to be the same as the selected Targeted Loot also as Targeted Loot.
    Yes, I now see exactly how that works. (Thanks for the link to the Reddit thread!)

    I'd noticed that one of the 14 items from the non-named-enemy drops was alone, rather than being paired with another item, so that was clearly not a targeted drop. That reduces the ratio from 14/31 to 13/31, or 45% to 42%, but given the sample size that's well within the range of the general noise.

    For two normal, one hard and one challenging bounty, along with some open world stuff, 40% or so is a higher drop rate than one would expect, but plausible.

    For even just fity or so drops in open world and normal events/missions, I'd expect to have at least 6-8 targeted drops, rather than the three I got from what I'm pretty sure was even substantially more than fifty drops. (This was a couple of hours of play deliberately seeking out loot chests.) Sadly, though, without having done a real count, I conclude that my figure for that run is not trustworthy enough to use as evidence for anything.
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