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    Originally Posted by dagrommit Go to original post
    LOL - first you claimed they don't fix ANY bugs, then point out one specific bug that DID get fixed, then seem to accept that it's OK for some bugs to exist. So I'll ask it a different way - which AAA game has zero bugs, and never required a patch?

    Destiny 2? Nope
    Warframe? Nope
    Borderlands 3? Nope

    And because it's been mentioned in these forums recently - Outriders? Nope.
    I agree with what you say. All games need patches. That is out of the question, at least on my part.

    What I am saying, to be more explicit, is that in this game the patches are very sporadic, and the bugs that to the game experience, in my case PVP because PVE I play only when I need some exotic weapon or exotic equipment, upload from levels etc.

    In other words, I understand that the game has errors but I can't understand why they don't fix them ... It's wrong! I personally have spent 150 dollars on the game, 120 the ultimate version, 30 the expansion ... I really would like you to fix the game a little, just a little. Unless they fix the glitches there are regarding technology, armor, etc ...

    The game is very broken, everyone knows it, and they do not fix the essential, it is very unbalanced.

    I'm a big fan of the series, and if at some point the priority of the company is focused on fixing the game I will be the first to be happy. But I think that at the moment the game is very bad. Thanks for taking the time to answer greetings.
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    Originally Posted by CategoryTheory Go to original post
    This is demonstrably false; there are plenty of examples in this very forum (such as this and this) of bugs being fixed, sometimes with much work being put into these fixes.

    I'm not sure if you're truly ignorant of this fact, or if you're just trolling to satisfy your craving to be indignant on the Internet (which, admittedly, seems more addictive than cocaine) but if your wish is to see bugs fixed, screaming falsehoods is not the way to do it. (It should be obvious that refusing to acknowledge anything good that the developers do is not likely to encourage them.)




    There's absolutely no need to defend the latter, since the claim that they never fix any bugs is a blatent lie, per above.

    For the former, we're "defending" that there are bugs in the same manner admitting that fatal auto accidents exist and are not likely to completely go away is "defending" them. (In both cases, even coming close to eliminating the issue would require a major reworking of how our society works, one that most people would quite reasonably hate.) If you want to improve the quality of any piece of software, you have to start with a realistic view of the world; closing your eyes and wishing really hard for a fantasy that cannot happen in the real world will get you nowhere.
    I'm not trolling
    I don't blame the developers. Fixing or discontinuing a game is the decision of the company, the programmers will only carry out orders. I suppose.
    I am not surrealist, I do not live in a fantasy world. I'm just saying that the game could be better. A bit better.

    It is not necessary to normalize that companies do things wrong, start a game and then do not fix essential things. Example glitches.
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    Originally Posted by dagrommit Go to original post
    The post immediately above yours suggests otherwise.
    Not really. Just because one can find a post somewhere that says something, that doesn't mean its fact.

    I took this thread in the context of the outages on the PC platform. The game was virtually unplayable.

    Do bugs get into production in games? Certainly. Should that happen? No.
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    Originally Posted by dagrommit Go to original post
    LOL - first you claimed they don't fix ANY bugs, then point out one specific bug that DID get fixed, then seem to accept that it's OK for some bugs to exist. So I'll ask it a different way - which AAA game has zero bugs, and never required a patch?

    Destiny 2? Nope
    Warframe? Nope
    Borderlands 3? Nope

    And because it's been mentioned in these forums recently - Outriders? Nope.

    Now, nobody is claiming the game is bug-free, but DadKev is making the point that development resources are always going to be allocated based on priorities. You may not agree with those priorities (e.g. focusing on PvE vs PvP), but claiming that they don't fix bugs is clearly incorrect. They just don't fix the bugs *you* want them to fix.
    Not sure what are you trying to prove with this
    1st Warframe and Destiny 2 are free games.
    2nd their devs are agree that having bugs in soft are not normal and fixing them
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    Originally Posted by tcarlisle2012 Go to original post
    Not really. Just because one can find a post somewhere that says something, that doesn't mean its fact.

    I took this thread in the context of the outages on the PC platform. The game was virtually unplayable.

    Do bugs get into production in games? Certainly. Should that happen? No.
    You wanting something to be true doesn't change reality.

    Originally Posted by Licher.Rus Go to original post
    Not sure what are you trying to prove with this
    1st Warframe and Destiny 2 are free games.
    2nd their devs are agree that having bugs in soft are not normal and fixing them
    Very convenient of you to ignore the paid software (or that Destiny 2 expansions still cost money). Or the fact that bug fixes exist for this game, just not the ones you might want to see fixed.

    Originally Posted by jorocoimbra Go to original post
    I agree with what you say. All games need patches. That is out of the question, at least on my part.

    What I am saying, to be more explicit, is that in this game the patches are very sporadic, and the bugs that to the game experience, in my case PVP because PVE I play only when I need some exotic weapon or exotic equipment, upload from levels etc.

    In other words, I understand that the game has errors but I can't understand why they don't fix them ....
    Perhaps you should read the thread then. Different stakeholders (e.g. investors, management, developers, operations, marketing, customers) all have different priorities.

    Even then, people within each of those groups will have conflicting priorities - you want more attention given to PvP, but most people here would rather the focus be on PvE. What you consider a "bug" might not be deemed important enough to take away resources from another priority.

    [edit] As we're going in circles, I'll step out with this point from The Mythical man month:

    The author makes the observation that in a suitably complex system there is a certain irreducible number of errors. Any attempt to fix observed errors tends to result in the introduction of other errors.
    Those of you who don't work in software development should go read it.
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