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Man this character is terrible.
He's clunky beyond belief, his heavies became awkwardly slow on startup, his punch is weird on startup and when he's charging his punch it looks like he's charging a falcon punch or something, unlike the super smooth and natural animation he had before.
He objectively just became worse, there's no point in having the pin on charged heavies anymore, because it doesn't guaranteed anything on follow up. Being able to cancel jabs isn't worth giving up all that and making clunky. Imo, being able to cancel jab is stupid in the first place, since I dislike 50/50 options.
Just to quickly put it into bulletpoints
- Heavies are so slow now you can't use them after a knee parry punish
- Charged heavy pins serve no purpose other than to stop your chain because you can't follow up with anything guaranteed
- Animations look horrendous, especially jab and charged jab
- Feintable jab is stupid
Real quick, just compare the old charged jab to the current one. The animation is a billion times better in the pre-rework.
Old - 2:38
https://youtu.be/YvdwFluIl5M?t=159
New - 0:42
https://youtu.be/Nsv89ZkC1EE?t=42
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Do you honestly consider him better? He's just another warden with a few soft-feint GBs, and looks way worse now.Originally Posted by Gaser. Go to original post
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hold on. Need to catch my breath.....
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You've got to be joking. Centurion is objectively worse now? Oh right. I forgot. Cause Centurion is only useful when he is allowed to cutscene you easily. Let's just ignore that he's kept the same strength of his gank via talons confirming multiple heavies but also getting stupidly easier to perform ganks with his update.
Let's just ignore how amazing his kit flow is now because lights actually flow into what Centurion wants to be doing which is punching people. Let's just ignore that his kick is now a proper opening tool instead of a meme bash that does nothing for him. Let's just ignore that his zone is more than just minion clear and a random kick punish.
Cause old Centurion could anti gank so well right? Cause old cent could do more than just cutscene right? Right?
You're actually hilarious mate. None of what you mentioned are actually problems that exist with Centurion. It literally is a post that just reads "I can't play Centurion the way I used to so now he's trash."
But let's just touch your "criticisms" real quick to round this out. Heavies are slow. They aren't. What you're feeling is the intentional delay they added specifically because they didn't want you getting a heavy off of any parry. If you want your heavy after a knee parry counter near a wall. Centurion had zero reason to go for any parry that wasn't parry into knee pre rework. They gave reasons and options to his parries. Sorry you have to think now.
No reason to charge parry. Wrong. You get more damage than an uncharged parry. Also, the pin resets hitstun. Which is important for cent ganks and team fights. But I guess because it doesn't give you a free extra 35 damage it's garbage now right?
Charge punch animations look stupid. Cents light animations are insanely worse. As is his zone. Yes winding up a punch is silly. And? I'd take that over goofy swings with the sword which he still has. Also, you have a new animation with charged punches. But I bet you missed that detail because your vision is clouded with tears.
Feintable punch is stupid. Ah yes. Because having a reactable punch before hand was infinitely more useful.
Learn to play Centurion. Or maybe don't. I don't want a ******g clown like you ruining the rep of my favorite hero.
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Wow so amazing. So actually amazing that you play exactly like Warden does, cause quickly frankly you doing light into 33/33/33 is literally no different than Warden doing back-dodge into his 33/33/33 shoulderbash. What excellent flow and design.Originally Posted by Knight_Raime Go to original post
You were punching people just fine before.
Bash into 33/33/33 bash, what a good proper non-toxic opener.Originally Posted by Knight_Raime Go to original post
This is about the only good thing.Originally Posted by Knight_Raime Go to original post
And can you anti-gank now? What's your point?Originally Posted by Knight_Raime Go to original post
Yeah good one Einstein, what do you think I mean by heavies are slow? It's the whole point of old Cent heavies, you might be able to hit your heavy after a heavy parry, but you gained nothing as a bonus from hitting light parries.Originally Posted by Knight_Raime Go to original post
Oh and what are you amazing options now? Light after HP, heavy after LP and knee near wall. What a huge change that is.Originally Posted by Knight_Raime Go to original post
4 damage. You get 4 extra damage for charging your heavy, followed by a pin that does nothing but make the two of you go into stare contest for a second. Can't even make regular jab guaranteed nope nope.Originally Posted by Knight_Raime Go to original post
Man you're ignorant, you realise my whole point is that the new charged punch animation looks insanely stupid, like you're some kind of superhero protagonist using his final attack. Do you also realise that animations and the looks of your character DO matter? We're playing a game that's literally all about aesthetics next to fighting.Originally Posted by Knight_Raime Go to original post
Yes it is stupid. Just like 33/33/33 Warden bash. Just like 33/33/33 Shugoki grab. Just like Warmonger 33/33/33 bash. It's toxic, it's stupid, and I'm so sorry you've gotten too used to your iWin button that you can't let go and make your next punch unpredictable instead.Originally Posted by Knight_Raime Go to original post
Awh not your favourite heroOriginally Posted by Knight_Raime Go to original post
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Yes I consider him better and healthier.Originally Posted by Kargish1 Go to original post
The old one was just either not playing offensive at all or abusing unhealthy gimmicks.
But in the end you post will not change how centurion is and they wont go back.
Your post is basically just crying and you know that.
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That's literally cent rightt now.Originally Posted by Gaser. Go to original post
It's always funny that whenever a post comes up about something people disagree with, they just label it as crying lmao.Originally Posted by Gaser. Go to original post
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@Kargish1
The fact that you think consistently side dodging into baits is anything remotely similar to chain based bashes is hilarious and is just you over simplifying because you lack the substance to argue back. This is especially given since none or your responses to me prove that old Centurion was better which is your entire supposed position. You're just arguing different points because it serves to attack me instead of the points I laid out. Also no, you didn't punch fine before. You either landed the jab because it was guaranteed or you fought people who had reaction times of a slug. Charging it did you no favors and was insanely reactable for an easy GB. At least pretend to know the character.Wow so amazing. So actually amazing that you play exactly like Warden does, cause quickly frankly you doing light into 33/33/33 is literally no different than Warden doing back-dodge into his 33/33/33 shoulderbash. What excellent flow and design.
You were punching people just fine before.
Yes you absolutely can. His lights were normalized which made them more usable for target swapping. Which they would've been great at to begin with due to their very nice hitboxes but couldn't be used because they were too reactable. His zone being feintable at the second and third hit means he's given yet another option with decent hitboxes to properly defend in an anti gank. And finally they made his punch target swappable. Which makes it yet another great tool for attacking people in an outnumbered situation. My point was "Centurion is better now than he used to be." You've yet to give a counter argument.And can you anti-gank now? What's your point?
Generally when someone says something as slow they're referring to speed. Sorry I don't automatically understand your arbitrarily different definitions for words. Maybe try using words as they're defined. Or at least learn to clarify your points beyond "I can't do what I used to do so it's a problem." Makes discussions much smoother that way. And you look better for it.Yeah good one Einstein, what do you think I mean by heavies are slow? It's the whole point of old Cent heavies, you might be able to hit your heavy after a heavy parry, but you gained nothing as a bonus from hitting light parries.
on heavy parry you have 2 options. Light to conserve stamina and build less revenge. or parry counter for a ledge/wall. That and you can follow into your charge punch after knee (which wasn't doable before) for a multitood of reasons. Like if you wanted to knock them down for a jorm. Or if you wanted to force an even longer animation to stall revenge time. After light parry you can go for same options as above on top of a full charge heavy for extra gank options and extra damage.Oh and what are you amazing options now? Light after HP, heavy after LP and knee near wall. What a huge change that is.
The point is because centurion doesn't get a free cutscene anymore, because bashes feed lots of revenge, because stamina management is far more important to him now, and because he gets stamina back on talons pounce you have to be more considerate about your options. You don't get to brain dead take stamina on top of dishing good damage. This not only makes centurion more of an interesting hero to play with and engage against but is also much healthier for the game as a whole. Cent doesn't just get to ignore the game anymore he's got to play it. And he didn't walk away empty handed because of that.
Telling me i'm one point off doesn't counter what you've quoted and it also clearly shows you ignoring the latter half because you prove my point. You called pinning pointless, when very clearly it's not. It just doesn't benefit you in the way you want it to. At the very least you could pose the discussion as why you liked old centurion. Not "New centurion is objectively worse and i'm not going to back up my claim with any substance."4 damage. You get 4 extra damage for charging your heavy, followed by a pin that does nothing but make the two of you go into stare contest for a second. Can't even make regular jab guaranteed nope nope.
Yes i'm aware animations are important. That's why heros like zhanhu and nobushi have a hard time being offensive. Because the quality of their animations. But that's not the argument you're making. You're literally just stating you don't like it. Which isn't even a point. Nothing about FH is remotely close to actual fighting with the weapons being used. Any of that finesse is lost because they have to exaggerate the attacks to be entertaining.Do you also realise that animations and the looks of your character DO matter? We're playing a game that's literally all about aesthetics next to fighting.
I think this is my favorite part in your response to be honest. You keep using 33/33/33 like you actually know what that means. Do you know? 33/33/33 and 50/50 require the options being presented to be equal or very close to it in terms of power. Not just how many options exist. Beyond that you keep referring to viable offense as toxic which if anything is a bigger statement on what kind of player you are than stating empirically false statements as a monument to your ignorance. And finally I just have to quote this if anything for complaining about a "win button" on a hero who literally was a win button before his rework by getting easy and free cutscenes to delete most or all of someone's remaining health off of a single parry. Like. The irony CANNOT be more front and center here.Yes it is stupid. Just like 33/33/33 Warden bash. Just like 33/33/33 Shugoki grab. Just like Warmonger 33/33/33 bash. It's toxic, it's stupid, and I'm so sorry you've gotten too used to your iWin button that you can't let go and make your next punch unpredictable instead.
Unless you can actually give me proof that Centurion got worse i'm just not going to bother with another response. If you enjoyed old Centurion despite his very weird quirks than more power to you. But as someone who mained him since release till about season 9-10 ish I can't say I really can even remotely see that perspective. The fact that Centurion can punch after lights now more than sealed the deal for me.
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