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    A 4 piece Hunters fury with 1 Fenris or 1 Groupo and the memento back pack.and a Chameleon (all procced up) nothing comes close in pure damage.(with either intimidate or Obliterate)

    I was using Hunters fury 5 to 6 months ago with the Chameleon before these Youtubers got wind of it.(Apparently its the new big thing lol)
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    One of our clan members did that right when HF dropped. At first I asked why they weren't using a Grudge or Dark Winter - but then I ran the numbers and saw what it was capable of when procc'd. I personally go Chatterbox + Rock'N'Roll since I only used HF for speed runs - but if I wanted to make it work on Heroic, I'd give the Chameleon strong consideration since you're already committed to playing at a range that makes it's handling issue moot. As previously noted, it's also one of the few times a Cold Relations makes sense.

    YouTube always goes in cycles, it's kind of amusing to watch them float around trying to hype something new for the clicks. A lot of them seem to love Measured too, which is probably one of the worst weapon talents - as you net maybe a 3% damage boost [aka, way less than Optimist or Strained]. I still keep thinking I'm missing something on that one, but I've yet to see anyone explain it beyond "feels"..
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    Originally Posted by LateNiteDelight Go to original post
    If you want to move the goalposts to "reliable, consistent damage" + GB which allows that specific gun to hold Strained and avoid reloading to reset it - then yes, you can get close or potentially better [depending on your proc abilities].

    But that setup will fall dramatically short of a fully procc'd Chameleon. I don't think you comprehend how much stronger the Chameleon is when procc'd. In your scenario, generously giving the Cold Relations it's full Strained [80 CD].. the Chameleon's procc'd sDPS is still 47% higher.

    edit: when the Chameleon is not procc'd, the fully procc'd CR is 36% stronger. If neither are procc'd, the CR is 22% stronger - I'm not trying to endorse the Chameleon as the bees knees [I'm an EB man myself], just highlight how bonkers it is when procc'd - as it shocked me the first time I ran the numbers.
    "When it's procced"

    The problem with this statement is that it doesn't account for what's happening with other guns "while it's procced". You have to spend time setting up your buff. What are other guns doing in the same amount of setup time? Probably killing enemies, I'd guess. And then by the time the Chameleon proc is up and running, how many enemies are left to apply that buff to?

    It's not just a simple equation of what happens when the buff is applied. There are so many other factors. Magazine size, reload speed, bullet spread.

    I always hate seeing these kinds of discussions boiled down to something as simple as "HUE HUE! My CHD is bigger!" Because it's just not that simple.
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    This gun is hardest hitting AR when buff proced.
    You only need 5.5 Crit chance on your gear to get to the cap.
    Great RPM.

    The only bad thing about it - low range. That's it.
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    It's better have 1000 base dmg and just 100% CHD than 10 base damage and 1000% CHD
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    Originally Posted by Sircowdog1 Go to original post
    "When it's procced"

    Yes when Procced which literally takes almost no time at all.
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    Originally Posted by Cadillac-Jack Go to original post
    Yes when Procced which literally takes almost no time at all.
    60 body shots with a magazine size of 50 means at least one reload to even begin the weapon damage boost, assuming 100% accuracy(which we know won't happen with that garbage bullet spread).

    Another 30 headshots must be landed to proc the CHC buff....again subject to garbage bullet spread. That's likely another 1-2 reloads.

    Only at that point is the weapon actually fully up to speed. So that says to me that it must be compared against another weapon being allowed the same amount of reloads/time frame to also apply damage. Meaning that we're talking about the total damage across 3 to 4 full mags in order to get a fair comparison.

    That's not exactly what I'd consider "almost no time at all". A LOT can happen in the space of 4 mags, even firing at full auto. This is why highlight reels only showing the weapon performing at full buffs is so misleading.

    And keep in mind: I'm not saying it isn't good. It is! I'm just saying that the gap in performance isn't as huge as people make it out as being. If you enjoy the gameplay loop of trying to keep buffs rolling for massive damage spikes....then by all means go for it! But lets be real about the actual practical application and use of the weapon instead of being fooled by not looking at ALL the factors involved.
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    Originally Posted by Sircowdog1 Go to original post
    "When it's procced"

    The problem with this statement is that it doesn't account for what's happening with other guns "while it's procced". You have to spend time setting up your buff. What are other guns doing in the same amount of setup time? Probably killing enemies, I'd guess. And then by the time the Chameleon proc is up and running, how many enemies are left to apply that buff to?

    It's not just a simple equation of what happens when the buff is applied. There are so many other factors. Magazine size, reload speed, bullet spread.

    I always hate seeing these kinds of discussions boiled down to something as simple as "HUE HUE! My CHD is bigger!" Because it's just not that simple.
    I was just highlighting how outrageously strong it is when procc'd, because I don't think people realize the size of the gap. The only other comparable gap is with Ravi.

    Yes, you should consider total picture, but even there, it averages out stronger if you are good at target prioritization and keeping an eye on the proc meters. The introduction of Scorpio has changed the equation though - as I think that is the stronger CQC Exotic now

    As with all Exotics, it's only the strongest in its niche. If all you care about is all around, go play a Rifle Crit build with a higher RPM, larger Mag Rifle [ACR SS or UrbanMDR] with Boomerang.
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    Originally Posted by LateNiteDelight Go to original post
    ACR SS with Boomerang.
    I actually ran into one of these during hardcore leveling. With someone like me who has VERY strong twitch conditioning for my trigger finger, it's almost a full-auto weapon. Super good stability and damage with a large mag on a rifle. I was mowing things down like crazy! Too bad it doesn't drop that often, or maintain its damage output at max level compared to other weapons.
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    Originally Posted by Sircowdog1 Go to original post
    I actually ran into one of these during hardcore leveling. With someone like me who has VERY strong twitch conditioning for my trigger finger, it's almost a full-auto weapon. Super good stability and damage with a large mag on a rifle. I was mowing things down like crazy! Too bad it doesn't drop that often, or maintain its damage output at max level compared to other weapons.
    It's sDPS is 11% better than the Classic

    The USC [way worse handles], QCB [smaller mag, worse handles], and LWM4 [worse handles, only 1% stronger] have better sDPS, but the ACR SS is the most balanced and AR-like.

    I only prefer the UrbanMDR because it has a higher HS multiplier [1.9 vs 1.6].
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