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  1. #11
    The build does plenty of damage, why don't you try it? You could also post your build that you found did not work for you. Your OP was vague, two posts here have shown the damage is there, one a niche build and one a general purpose build that is easy to farm for.
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    Originally Posted by Catsuperhighway Go to original post
    The build doeasplenty of damage, why don't you try it? You could also post your build that you found did not work for you. Your OP was vague, two posts here have shown the damage is there, one a niche build and one a general purpose build that is easy to farm for.
    the build i used was quite simple a CHC, CHD build , i even tryed to add some survivability to it after adding 2 belstone to the mix and although i was able to tank a bit i was still doing worst than with any other build i could think of.

    the video that was posted is pure click bait , sure has some numbers but pay attention at how he has all 3 buffs at the same time in every clip , cuts as soon as the buffs are ending and also has team buffs on top , alone or in a slight diferent situation wher he could not camp a spawn or be 5 cm from the head of the boss and you would see the true colours of the thing.

    CliCK bAIt
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    I use the Chameleon as one of my prime choices on Hunter's Fury Builds. It works much better for me than the Eagle Bearer.

    The youtuber's build itself is extremely solid. Optimized pieces and a special improvised Holster rolled mostly red except for the core attribute. Using Firewall with Striker Shield and all the other damage buffs makes his build clearly a beast. The guy also seems to have a number of things rolled for headshot damage. Using the Chameleon's naturally high crit chance coupled with the Coyote's mask.

    Pretty much only go with one core blue, roll everything headshot and crit damage, use a striker shield, have obliterate/vigilance as your talents, use a guy to eclipse foam people, and one to buff everyone with a booster hive. Not as much clickbait as does not show his work as much as I would like.

    I could be missing something since I don't speak or read german and have to rely on google to translate.

    Strong strategy and tactics, tho.
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    Originally Posted by N3mB0t Go to original post
    the friging smg recoil and spread ,as an exotic AR it should be as good as the better AR spread and recoil wise and with the talent on top
    True, if they just tightened up the spread by buffing the accuracy a bit, it would be a far more usable weapon.
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    As other people have said, the Chameleon is only good in VERY specific scenarios. You basiclly have to completely alter the way you play in order to maintain the buffs on the gun. Which....while possible...is VERY annoying and take a LOT of practice.

    All in all it's simply more effective to just use a laser-beam AR like a policeM4 or carbine7 for most situations. However...for bosses where you're not dropping them quickly, such as in a raid scenario....I could see a place for the Chameleon there.

    Overall though, for general use it's kind of trash....
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    Originally Posted by TimesLostArc Go to original post
    I use the Chameleon as one of my prime choices on Hunter's Fury Builds. It works much better for me than the Eagle Bearer.

    The youtuber's build itself is extremely solid. Optimized pieces and a special improvised Holster rolled mostly red except for the core attribute. Using Firewall with Striker Shield and all the other damage buffs makes his build clearly a beast. The guy also seems to have a number of things rolled for headshot damage. Using the Chameleon's naturally high crit chance coupled with the Coyote's mask.

    Pretty much only go with one core blue, roll everything headshot and crit damage, use a striker shield, have obliterate/vigilance as your talents, use a guy to eclipse foam people, and one to buff everyone with a booster hive. Not as much clickbait as does not show his work as much as I would like.

    I could be missing something since I don't speak or read german and have to rely on google to translate.

    Strong strategy and tactics, tho.
    i understood his build , im SHD 4.7 k+ i can tell just by looking , the point is that you can esily get the same/better results with diferent setups , my HF build with a SMG does the same damage without having to proc and manage 3 diferent timed talents for example, if in a team with team buffs i can have even higher numbers but constant damage and not on a 45 second timer that has to be triggered and managed during firefights.

    that is why i call it clickbait , the YTer tells no lie but ommits a lot of info , all the negatives in fact.

    im gonna try a striker variation later but still i can see any other gun benefiting even more from it.
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    Originally Posted by N3mB0t Go to original post
    the melting that gun/build does can easily be done with a much more simple aproach ,but sure it melts too , but at what price?
    This, bluntly, is impossible - no gun in the game comes close to the DPS a fully procc'd Chameleon can output. It's literally off the charts. The closest you can get is a SixTwelve or ACS-12. Seriously, it's north of 60% stronger than the best SMGs [and ARs lag behind SMGs].

    Due to said power, it requires you to think about timing and play tight. It let's you add non-CHC attributes thanks to the SMG like Crit Bonuses, but offers the extremely helpful DtH of an AR. Fill it up on the fodder, proc on the boss - rinse & repeat.

    That said, it's only average not procc'd - so if you struggle to juggle the proc situation [or don't like playing <20m] - you're better off with another weapon.
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    YT is full of hype train click bait scums, no doubt.
    Just look at... well everyone of them: every week they repost each others or their own old builds and name it as "THE BEST OF THE BEST OF THE BESTEST MELTS EVERYTHING RUIN SERVERS MAKES DZ CRY COLLECT IT ASAP OR DIE!!!!111111oneleven"

    And Chameleon should be redone: they should take Famas as base for this Exotic, not Kris.
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    Originally Posted by LateNiteDelight Go to original post
    This, bluntly, is impossible - no gun in the game comes close to the DPS a fully procc'd Chameleon can output. It's literally off the charts. The closest you can get is a SixTwelve or ACS-12. Seriously, it's north of 60% stronger than the best SMGs [and ARs lag behind SMGs].

    Due to said power, it requires you to think about timing and play tight. It let's you add non-CHC attributes thanks to the SMG like Crit Bonuses, but offers the extremely helpful DtH of an AR. Fill it up on the fodder, proc on the boss - rinse & repeat.

    That said, it's only average not procc'd - so if you struggle to juggle the proc situation [or don't like playing <20m] - you're better off with another weapon.
    i can get the same, or better numbers if with team buffs ,while camping spawns like the youtuber did , HF with intimidate , fully proced memento , firewall shield and the slept on cold relations smg and its 80% extra CHD, and its a much more reliable and constant damage , pair it with the GB event and its waaaay better , so not impossible at all.
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    Originally Posted by N3mB0t Go to original post
    i can get the same, or better numbers if with team buffs ,while camping spawns like the youtuber did , HF with intimidate , fully proced memento , firewall shield and the slept on cold relations smg and its 80% extra CHD, and its a much more reliable and constant damage , pair it with the GB event and its waaaay better , so not impossible at all.
    If you want to move the goalposts to "reliable, consistent damage" + GB which allows that specific gun to hold Strained and avoid reloading to reset it - then yes, you can get close or potentially better [depending on your proc abilities].

    But that setup will fall dramatically short of a fully procc'd Chameleon. I don't think you comprehend how much stronger the Chameleon is when procc'd. In your scenario, generously giving the Cold Relations it's full Strained [80 CD].. the Chameleon's procc'd sDPS is still 47% higher.

    edit: when the Chameleon is not procc'd, the fully procc'd CR is 36% stronger. If neither are procc'd, the CR is 22% stronger - I'm not trying to endorse the Chameleon as the bees knees [I'm an EB man myself], just highlight how bonkers it is when procc'd - as it shocked me the first time I ran the numbers.
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