Shinobi (what are we waiting for) | Forums

[Maxpain6]

Just curious? Is it mocap? Are you adjusting attacks and just making current attacks like side heavy after forward roll unblockable? If so how can 7 heros be on the list before Shinobi if everyone (just got into For Honor threads) knows hes basically a troll pick by this point? Is there any answers that can get us excited for the future that we can "Legally" get or is it just wait and see?

"Not related to the post in anyway"
So you thinking of ever adding a female variant to Shaolin, Ara(ara)musha, Or Cent? Just asking cause man, I would main those all day instead of complaining about shinobi if I had those choices. Since realism is out the door now.

[MrBdur]

Just curious? Is it mocap? Are you adjusting attacks and just making current attacks like side heavy after forward roll unblockable? If so how can 7 heros be on the list before Shinobi if everyone (just got into For Honor threads) knows hes basically a troll pick by this point? Is there any answers that can get us excited for the future that we can "Legally" get or is it just wait and see?

"Not related to the post in anyway"
So you thinking of ever adding a female variant to Shaolin, Ara(ara)musha, Or Cent? Just asking cause man, I would main those all day instead of complaining about shinobi if I had those choices. Since realism is out the door now.

Usually the only gender complaints are about female locked heroes by sexist male players. This is the first I've heard about wanting to play females only, and frankly, it's just as stupid of a complaint.

Why would you limit yourself to a hero based on gender?

Like, I'm a man, and I prefer most of my heroes to be male just because I am as well and so it resonates, but my first main was Nobushi and a few heroes I prefer female like Hitokiri and Jormungandr. It just fits them better.

My point is that gender doesn't affect a moveset or it's viability in any way. It's all cosmetic, so why limit yourself? Just play whoever you thinl has cool moves. Lol

[Gaser.]

If so how can 7 heros be on the list before Shinobi if everyone (just got into For Honor threads)

Because shinobi is such a dumpster fire that he needs to be worked up from the ground.

Ubis approach seems to first fix the heroes that are the easiest to fix.

Not to mention what Warden, Pk and Nobushi got could hardly be called a rework, they where improvements to the the kit they already have and it will most likely be the same for the upcoming guys that get some further improvements.

[Gaser.]

Usually the only gender complaints are about female locked heroes by sexist male players. This is the first I've heard about wanting to play females only, and frankly, it's just as stupid of a complaint.

Why would you limit yourself to a hero based on gender?

Like, I'm a man, and I prefer most of my heroes to be male just because I am as well and so it resonates, but my first main was Nobushi and a few heroes I prefer female like Hitokiri and Jormungandr. It just fits them better.

My point is that gender doesn't affect a moveset or it's viability in any way. It's all cosmetic, so why limit yourself? Just play whoever you thinl has cool moves. Lol

Just play everything lol. (Besides Ara because Ara makes my brain brick for some strange reason)

[Goat_of_Vermund]

Shinobi is super hard to rework.

1. Ranged attacks are extremely unfair. It basically means you can always force your opponents to play defensively. They are useless right now, this is the only reason they are not a problem. If we are honest, a rework will start by removing them, which will upset many players.

2. People liking him do so because of reasons that don't really belong in the game. Like double dodge and ranged guardbreak/attack. Removing them to create a normal meleebased kit will upset them.

[Maxpain6]

Usually the only gender complaints are about female locked heroes by sexist male players. This is the first I've heard about wanting to play females only, and frankly, it's just as stupid of a complaint.

Why would you limit yourself to a hero based on gender?

Because I have preference. You have your's and I have mine. I feel your complaint about mine is just as stupid as various heros have female or male counterparts that doesn't change anything. The only time i've seen anything strongly female was nobushi's butt coin toss and face touch execution. No "kit" fits a gender more as I could easily see a female Ara or cent or Shaolin, just as you prefer hito to be female.

[Maxpain6]

Because shinobi is such a dumpster fire that he needs to be worked up from the ground.

Ubis approach seems to first fix the heroes that are the easiest to fix.

Not to mention what Warden, Pk and Nobushi got could hardly be called a rework, they where improvements to the the kit they already have and it will most likely be the same for the upcoming guys that get some further improvements.

So our best guesses are that Shinobi won't even be Shinobi when the time comes, it will just be a new character because it'll have to be reworked from the ground up. I guess thats a good enough reason as any. I just didn't see the point if the games been around 4 years and Shinobi's been a dumpster fire for 2-3 years, that it hasn't been accomplished yet. "Took a large break from For Honor from 2018 to late 2020 left shortly after nothing else came after chinese" Was surprised little was accomplished in that time, especially with executions and what not.

Still a good game though. Thanks for the explanation!

[Maxpain6]

Shinobi is super hard to rework.

1. Ranged attacks are extremely unfair. It basically means you can always force your opponents to play defensively. They are useless right now, this is the only reason they are not a problem. If we are honest, a rework will start by removing them, which will upset many players.

2. People liking him do so because of reasons that don't really belong in the game. Like double dodge and ranged guardbreak/attack. Removing them to create a normal meleebased kit will upset them.

1. What would you say about a range attack that is a bash that doesn't guarantee free damage and doesn't even have to land, but instead just allows the the dodge roll forward, and has little push back? The whole point to trigger these attacks after the forward roll. a tracking side heavy, unblockable top that leads to that kneel down move or to dodge side lights. I mean i'm cool with literally no range at all but if the point was not the range attack itself but to trigger more rolls that lead to 50/50's, I think that would be good.

2. I like him for mobility yes. So double dodge would suck to lose but right now people literally have all the time in the world to grab me second dodge. I've had people float 10-15 feet and grab me through a second dodge. The range guard break can go. The only reason it felt good was because the payoffs it had. Like LINKING TO OUR BEST MOVE. It the gb only linked to a free heavy most people wouldn't really care. It's the payoffs that matter.

[Sarhan1413]

The shinobi, its problem is that the penalties for using his movements are greater compared to the rest of the characters, and the benefit from them is less.
Some moves, for example, prevent energy recovery for a period of 5 seconds. This punishment was removed from the rest of the characters, but not removed from the shinobi.
Some of the moves in some characters cost a lot of energy, they were reduced in others (like LB), but they didn't do the same with Shinobi.

Shinobi needs to reduce penalties for some movements, and give some movements a privilege that is not avoidable, irreversible, or non-boycott.

[Maxpain6]

The shinobi, its problem is that the penalties for using his movements are greater compared to the rest of the characters, and the benefit from them is less.
Some moves, for example, prevent energy recovery for a period of 5 seconds. This punishment was removed from the rest of the characters, but not removed from the shinobi.
Some of the moves in some characters cost a lot of energy, they were reduced in others (like LB), but they didn't do the same with Shinobi.

Shinobi needs to reduce penalties for some movements, and give some movements a privilege that is not avoidable, irreversible, or non-boycott.

I hope they remember this when they remake the character. What I loved most about shinobi was the mobility and speed. If I could get a high damage assassin, that moves fast and dies fast i'd be cool with it.