Warden Zone Attack Stamina Cost Is Too High | Forums

[Justicator]

I said nothing about dodge attacks. Raider has a dodge attack, but not an undodgable attack, it would totally miss a Tiandi during Dragon Dodge. No Vanguard has a neutral undodgable attack (the only hero who has undodgable zone from neutral is Warlord, and his zone is not 500ms, only 600ms).


I don't think there is anything on Warden right now that needs a nerf. I just told the guy how biased he is. He is always whining about the hero as much as it was the worst hero in the game, and his reasoning behind undodgable zone is stupid.

I guess he just loves the warden that much. And a lot of warden fans believe that the rework is missing some fixes and features that is should have included, but yeah; one must always be careful not to imbalance a hero during a rework. Nobody wants another originally released centurion, hitokir's heby on red and the still broken feats of warmonger

[Goat_of_Vermund]

I guess he just loves the warden that much. And a lot of warden fans believe that the rework is missing some fixes and features that is should have included, but yeah; one must always be careful not to imbalance a hero during a rework. Nobody wants another originally released centurion, hitokir's heby on red and the still broken feats of warmonger

Fair enough. I also want more for PK, even though she is honestly not that bad now (well, at least until people with healing feats come into play). Warden needs a bit more, like the stamina cost.

[Lord.Warden.]

Raider neither has an undodgeable or a bash. Kensei has no undodgeable either. Tiandi has no unblockables. Warmonger's undodgeable and unblockable are very slow, and her hyperarmor comes out late. Neither other Vanguards have superior block on any normal lights. Neither deals 15 damage with a normal side light. If you want to keep consistent, let's nerf Warden.

They have hyper armor though. That makes up for not having an undodgable attack as they are able to take a hit by ballarina dancers and TRADE back with a hyper armored heavy. Warden does not have hyper armor to do any trading with them, which is why I'm saying he needs an undodgable attack and his zone would be perfect for it (it simply feels smooth and chains really well except for the stamina cost) give him a try against a Tiandi or a JJ and see how the zone feels now for yourself vs pre rework.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

They have hyper armor though. That makes up for not having an undodgable attack as they are able to take a hit by ballarina dancers and TRADE back with a hyper armored heavy. Warden does not have hyper armor to do any trading with them, which is why I'm saying he needs an undodgable attack and his zone would be perfect for it (it simply feels smooth and chains really well except for the stamina cost) give him a try against a Tiandi or a JJ and see how the zone feels now for yourself vs pre rework.

Warden has hyperarmor though, on the fully charged shoulderbash. It is just as likely to succesfully trade as any other.

[MrBdur]

Warden has hyperarmor though, on the fully charged shoulderbash. It is just as likely to succesfully trade as any other.

Or just let tiandi's dance around expending stam and wait for a parry? Lol

[Goat_of_Vermund]

Or just let tiandi's dance around expending stam and wait for a parry? Lol

Or guardbreak the startup.

[Lord.Warden.]

Warden has hyperarmor though, on the fully charged shoulderbash. It is just as likely to succesfully trade as any other.

This does not work against a Tiandi's dance. The fully charged bash will be dodged easily and you will get hit.

Check the first 20 seconds of this video from another Warden main who is a famous youtuber and a grandmaster to understand the frustration of fighting Ballarina dancers without an undodgable attack or hyper armor on heavies:

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[Goat_of_Vermund]

This does not work against a Tiandi's dance. The fully charged bash will be dodged easily and you will get hit.

Check the first 20 seconds of this video from another Warden main who is a famous youtuber and a grandmaster to understand the frustration of fighting Ballarina dancers without an undodgable attack or hyper armor on heavies:

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Yep, it will be dodged. Like anything that is not undodgable, I don't understand why do you think Warmonger's heavy finisher does anything against a Tiandi.

Also, it means nothing. Every player has preferences, sometimes people deviate from their main in order to prepare for something specific. For example, if I would know I am facing a Tiandi and I really had to beat him, I would choose Conqueror instead of my Black Prior or Peacekeeper. Does that mean Black Prior is weak?

A 500ms zone doesn't need the undodgeble status effect. Warlord's is slower and doesn't chain.

[Lord.Warden.]

Yep, it will be dodged. Like anything that is not undodgable, I don't understand why do you think Warmonger's heavy finisher does anything against a Tiandi.

Also, it means nothing. Every player has preferences, sometimes people deviate from their main in order to prepare for something specific. For example, if I would know I am facing a Tiandi and I really had to beat him, I would choose Conqueror instead of my Black Prior or Peacekeeper. Does that mean Black Prior is weak?

A 500ms zone doesn't need the undodgeble status effect. Warlord's is slower and doesn't chain.

Warmonger has an actual undodgable attack WHICH IS FEINTABLE that she can throw out on reaction to Tiandi's dance. Her hyper armor on heavy finishers is only a bonus not the solution to the dance.

Black prior has an undodgable attack as well and a flip move to counter Tiandi completely.

Anyway, so I reported that same exact issue of the stamina cost on the Official Bug Reporter: https://forhonor.ubisoft.com/bugreporter/en-us/ and here's the official response I received from Ubi. If this isn't incompetence, I don't know what is.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

Warmonger has an actual undodgable attack WHICH IS FEINTABLE that she can throw out on reaction to Tiandi's dance. Her hyper armor on heavy finishers is only a bonus not the solution to the dance.

Black prior has an undodgable attack as well and a flip move to counter Tiandi completely.

Anyway, so I reported that same exact issue of the stamina cost on the Official Bug Reporter: https://forhonor.ubisoft.com/bugreporter/en-us/ and here's the official response I received from Ubi. If this isn't incompetence, I don't know what is.

Warmonger's undodgable is very slow, you can't use it on reaction. You can feint a bash into it on prediction, but it is better to just go for an early guardbreak, that beats the dragon dodge too. Also, the Tiandi can easily forward dodge into a light to counter it. That move is not great at all in 1v1.

Ttiandi is easy to understand tbh. His dodge lights are like Orochi's, they are fast, undodgable and are defensive moves, but are risky. The dragon dodge is like a side dodge shoulderbash, it won't beat a guardbreak attempt, only the different charge levels. So, it is not a good defensive move. When they are already doing it, it is part of their offense, that way you of course have to wait for them to finish it (which is not that hard, they can't really do much from it).