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    Much Needed Player vs AI Improvements

    I realize the bread and butter of this game is PvP but alot of activity remains on player vs ai and I know often I like to play against AI when practicing moves with a hero or to just grind stress free. With that said, why are we not able to play against lvl 3 bots? Either allow us to choose or match against bots accordingly based on skill lvl. The AI in dominion for example is far to easy to dominate.

    Better rewards could be provided for playing against more difficult AI and give players more incentive to hone their skills and grind for better gear. The only potential issue I see is dividing the match making pool based on players choosing different difficulty levels but to solve that they could just have the automatch system match with another tier after not finding a match in a given time, or just make a ranked version that auto matches based on skill.

    Another big issue I see is, AI JUST DOESN'T USE REVENGE! Why is this? Has the AI just not been addressed since the release of game? If an AI hero gets revenge is should be programmed to either use it right away for simplicity sake, or be triggered to use it when an incoming attack is coming.

    These changes would allow for more challenge but provide more rewards and a sense of progression for PvAI players as well as increasing the effectiveness of bots in PvP matches to lessen the handicap put on the team when a player leaves or disconnects.
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    I'd like to point out that lvl 1 bots don't use revenge. The other lvls do.
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    Originally Posted by zcubed Go to original post
    I'd like to point out that lvl 1 bots don't use revenge. The other lvls do.
    Is there a way to face higher level bots in multiplayer?
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    You can face stronger bots in PvE modes but it requires improving your K/D in PvP for the respective game mode.

    Were not fully sure on how the system works but theres been plenty of reported incidents of a player getting lucky in a PvP Duel and then going back to PvE and suddenly all bots are level 3 so they are definitly tied.

    I made a thread recently about how flawed this system is as an exclusive PvE player im locked out from facing anything higher than a level 1 bot. The fact that your bots are tied to how well you do against players is competley absurd

    Why it cant be determined by how well you do against bots, or just be selectable eispecially when you have matchmaking off is beyond me. All we can do is raise this issue as much as we can in the hopes they can make what I would think is a fairly small change that would go a long way.
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    Stated already but agreed, as someone who doesn't enjoy PvP as much the PvE aspect of the game is really lacking. I loved fighting the bosses in the last event for the fact that they were all level 3 bots and gave me a real challenge. I love it on the random occasion I enter into a match and there are level 2 or 3 bots to fight and push me back. I really wish I could do this on a regular basis and find it absurd you'd require us to do PvP to do something in PvE. Why would you not just let us play how we want? If a level 3 would mop the floor with us let us get rolled on by some bots if that's what we want. Why make it overtly easy?
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    I agree DamienCrow, There is satisfaction in beating down easier opponents but thats why my ideal match has a mix of level 3 and level 2 bots. Level 2 bots I can generally beat depending on who they are and what character I am but they will put up a fight they will use revenge and special techniques unique to their character, they are fun to fight and then level 3 bots are there to really put the pressure on.

    Level 1 bots are very limited I feel captains can suprise me more than they can. I dont think they have a place in the main PvE mode If they could just remove level 1 bots from the PvE and just have level 2s id be fairly contented but ideally they would give us more control over how we play or have your PvE performance determine who you fight.
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    I would really like posts like this to get more visibility. The fact that I'm commenting on this like 3 years later is ridiculous. People have been asking for this basically since release and I've seen nary a peep from Ubisoft acknowledging it. This NEEDS to be addressed, PvE players have just as much a right to enjoy the game as PvP players. If Ubi is just going to cater to the PvP players, then why even have a PvAI aspect at all?

    Ubisoft, PLEASE open your eyes and realize that this is something the community wants. Let us adjust the bot levels for PvAI. Then the hardcore PvP players can face their level 1 bots to grind experience, and the PvAI players can give themselves a challenge so they can actually enjoy the game.
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    Originally Posted by FriendlyZinogre Go to original post
    I would really like posts like this to get more visibility. The fact that I'm commenting on this like 3 years later is ridiculous. People have been asking for this basically since release and I've seen nary a peep from Ubisoft acknowledging it. This NEEDS to be addressed, PvE players have just as much a right to enjoy the game as PvP players. If Ubi is just going to cater to the PvP players, then why even have a PvAI aspect at all?

    Ubisoft, PLEASE open your eyes and realize that this is something the community wants. Let us adjust the bot levels for PvAI. Then the hardcore PvP players can face their level 1 bots to grind experience, and the PvAI players can give themselves a challenge so they can actually enjoy the game.
    First of all, you should have created a new thread as opposed to reviving a 3 yr old post. It will likely get locked now because that's what happens when old threads are revived typically.

    They will never give us the choice of bot level in MP games. That's just silly.

    I agree that the skill based matchmaking needs improvements but let's be real here. For Honor is 4 years old, into the 5th year now. It's far from new, especially in video game time. Of course the system needs improvements.

    I feel like lots of big changes are on the horizon for For Honor. Next Gen hardware opens up many opportunities. Maybe Y6 will actually just be a sequel. Who knows?
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    For the record, I did create a new thread in the Suggestions forum. I just saw this post and figured more visibility isn't an issue.

    And WHY is it silly? If I'm playing PvAI dominion, with no matchmaking, I'm the only actual person in the lobby. Why shouldn't I be allowed to select the difficulty of my enemies? Level 1 bots are absurdly easy to fight. Why should I have to play PvP to increase the difficulty in non-PvP modes? It doesn't make sense.

    Perhaps as you increase bot levels, rewards increase. Adds incentive to fight harder bots.

    Your argument is that because the game is old, they shouldn't make improvements? Now THAT is silly. The player base has decreased drastically, but it is still very much alive, with the exception of Deathmatch and Tribute. Don't let my account age fool you, I'm a beta player, been around that long, just switched to PC and lo and behold forgot my Ubisoft password, decided to just make a new one. So believe me, I'm well aware of all the changes the game has gone through.
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