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[Knight_Raime]

Its crazy all I did was give out a opinion and you start giving out a hateful comment as if I did something wrong. Please stop calling me bad when you literary don't know me or my playstyle. What you said was childish and unnecessary.

It's not my problem that you take offense to a fairly understandable assumption of your capability based off your statement. Even if we disregard my comment on your capabilities I still gave relevant information and explained why your position has a flaw. Dropping the "opinion" card isn't an out to that.

[Saint_YeetsXB]

Lol, i give information and try to have an actual debate with people about highlander and i get met with no response and yeah highlander op nerf him. If you knew how to play the game he isnt. That is just a factual statement.

[MrBdur]

So, assuming that highlander is bad and if you complain about him, you're bad, I guess I'm bad too.

Except I'm not.

I find Highlander also very problematic.

If you can bug out a kit to perform better than intended, then it becomes, unintentionally, part of the kit.

Highlander might not be OP on paper, but take him on in the field with a diamond player or higher in control and RIP.

If HL is so weak, why do I see so many of them in diamond ranked duels? Why do I consistently lose to high tier Highlander players when I can kill Gryphons with less trouble, the agreed upon broken hero?

Knight Raime. Let's have a duel on Xbox. Let me see what level you play at.

[Saint_YeetsXB]

So, assuming that highlander is bad and if you complain about him, you're bad, I guess I'm bad too.

Except I'm not.

I find Highlander also very problematic.

If you can bug out a kit to perform better than intended, then it becomes, unintentionally, part of the kit.

Highlander might not be OP on paper, but take him on in the field with a diamond player or higher in control and RIP.

If HL is so weak, why do I see so many of them in diamond ranked duels? Why do I consistently lose to high tier Highlander players when I can kill Gryphons with less trouble, the agreed upon broken hero?

Knight Raime. Let's have a duel on Xbox. Let me see what level you play at.

While this is an issue I believe it is a different one than the main topic of this post. What use would nerfing his damage and increasing his recoveries that already guarantee a guard break do for a character that is just bug abuse at high tier gameplay? His "tech" i do believe is an issue, both for and against highlander. But this just shows hoe fundamentally flawed the character is in my opinion. He needs a full blown rework not just a recovery change and some pretty idiotic suggestions of damage nerfs to him. Not saying that about you Bdur just after seeing what people think would be a fix for highlander.

The way i see people complain about highlander makes me believe they dont play at that higher tier where they see the bugs being abused. because if they were they would know that these changes would do nothing to help them anyways. It would just kill the character for people who play him as intended.

[MrBdur]

While this is an issue I believe it is a different one than the main topic of this post. What use would nerfing his damage and increasing his recoveries that already guarantee a guard break do for a character that is just bug abuse at high tier gameplay? His "tech" i do believe is an issue, both for and against highlander. But this just shows hoe fundamentally flawed the character is in my opinion. He needs a full blown rework not just a recovery change and some pretty idiotic suggestions of damage nerfs to him. Not saying that about you Bdur just after seeing what people think would be a fix for highlander.

The way i see people complain about highlander makes me believe they dont play at that higher tier where they see the bugs being abused. because if they were they would know that these changes would do nothing to help them anyways. It would just kill the character for people who play him as intended.

Fair points. The solutions being suggested probably wouldn't be proper solutions, but instead would be closer to a hito or shinobi treatment.

I love watching broken strong heroes fall from grace, but it doesn't take long for me to feel bad when they get butchered like shinobi or hitokiri.

Yes they needed nerfs from their previous versions, but not that harsh or something in return to compensate. But no. Shinobi and Hito got left in the outhouse.

I would love to see a healthier highlander, byt I would hate to see the hero butchered. I like fair movesets with either low risk = low reward, and high risk = high reward. Not this stupid high risk low reward and low risk high reward bull we have in for honor.

[d_anny25]

I‘m playing HL(rep70) in diamond and lose to gryphons on rep 1...goofy smurf accounts. The only thing that need to nerf on him is his 2nd light. Not more...If u got problems with his kick then u are just to bad sry...I could also say that BP is broken with his light bash light spam.You can’t light spam in ranked with HL. That’s not how u get ur damage on ur enemy...u have to play smart with him with dodges, feints etc. If the recovery on his kick is like shugo...this char gets useless.

[wolfocezosu]

You playing as intended doesnt mean he cant spam like raider back in the day with stun tap and the insane dmg he had. His heavys would be more fair doing 27 instead of 30 since they have HA or unblock properties and you cant parry after the kick or grab. Also spam doesnt work on ranked... Maybe against Diamond III or higher cuz ranks below will be deleted smashing buttons. 3 dmg should mean nothing to your mixups but a lot for other héroes HP pool

[Saint_YeetsXB]

You playing as intended doesnt mean he cant spam like raider back in the day with stun tap and the insane dmg he had. His heavys would be more fair doing 27 instead of 30 since they have HA or unblock properties and you cant parry after the kick or grab. Also spam doesnt work on ranked... Maybe against Diamond III or higher cuz ranks below will be deleted smashing buttons. 3 dmg should mean nothing to your mixups but a lot for other héroes HP pool

Any character can spam, highlander's opener heavies are 1000ms with 800ms hyper armor activation. for comparison JJ's opener heavies are 800ms total. His unblockable heavies are by themselves, not really part of a mix up. And on their own they arent that dangerous. His heavies arent the hardest hitting ones, so I dont understand why reducing them by 3 would do anything either for or against him. Many other characters get more damage or equal damage in safer than highlander. Sure if you make a lot of mistakes a good highlander will punish you, and punish you hard.

Highlander's grab and kick are also very slow bashes, to my knowledge the kick is about 700ms and the grab is closer to 1000ms. If I'm wrong on those numbers my b i don't remember all his stuff. but highlanders bashes are not super fast and dont have hyper armor, these are both dodgeable and even when soft feinted together or even heavy to kick to grab, you can just roll away on reaction. If youre getting caught by them either you're getting caught in the recoveries of you moves and being overly aggressive, or you're just letting things hit you. You'd be surprised how many kicks or grabs i throw from neutral that land on people followed by messages from them complaining im spamming. Meanwhile theyre two of the slowest non feintable non hyper armor bashes in the game. but yeah sure theyre OP because you get hit with a heavy.

If Highlander had a more fleshed out kit in terms of option sand power then yes id be fine with it. But if you do nothing but nerf his damage here and there and play with recoveries, then congrats you killed him and made another Hitokiri and another Shinobi.

[wolfocezosu]

I know all can spam. What im saying is that he does more effective and easier than the others. Not saying that he is the best or the most op. He is among those. Others need to feint and GB to get a heavy but HL dont care about that. He only does that if he can get a wall splat and the player is decent. GB doesnt give you a heavy so spam fest. Does he need to get a deflect? Nope. Also dont know why your first sentence is about opener heavies i dont know anyone how spam that way. What about his LLH is that heavy also 1000ms? The grab closer to 1000ms doesnt matter its porpose its to get you if you dodge before and you can feint the unblock or kick to grab to force that. Once you are back up Kick or grab again? 2 bad reads 60dmg. Dead if you are being ganked. His feats are good HA to trade in 1vs2. Bastión Last Stand Vengeful Barrier. Imagine you land a LLH combo on some1 ended with H so repeat when the first L of next combo or second L (doesnt matter) is blocked forward Dodge atack thats a heavy repeat LLH. you can kill 97% of console players like that. 0 skill. And if you think they are the ones without skill try to do that with other hero.

[wolfocezosu]

Also trying to make his bashes looks bad saying non feintable non HA. Well you can actually feint the kick. And what bash has HA now that LB lost it? Besides warden and warmonger but those are charged bashes the grab is just slow. And not so slow.