More dems are losing confidence in PelosiPork®.
From ABC news:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics...lth/story?id=9045075
Originally posted by HayateAce:
The disconnect is between the brain and rational thought of those who think all your great healthcare is free.
Let me help you euro's, the US is NOT a part of Europe and we don't ever want to BE a part of it. If you think your NHS is so wonderful, more power to you. The truth is, you haven't the slightest idea about the bald-face power grab this piece of crap legislation truly represents.
I am aware the US is not part of Europe, no need for any help there but thanks.
I emphatically do not care one iota about your future aspirations as a nation one way or another, however, if there were ever a movement where the US sought to join the EU I would be with De Gaul.
The NHS is fine but not wonderful, thanks.
I couldn't give a toss one way an other about medical coverage in the US so yes, your're right, I haven't a clue about the legislation that's getting you hot behind the collar, nor do I really want or need to change that.
It seemed to me that somewhat was either accidentally or deliberately misunderstanding another poster's intent. All I sought to do was correct that. I don't really need you getting all snotty over it. I think I've made it perfectly clear that you, your health care, and your national aspirations are entirely peripheral to my existence and I hope that both you and they remain that way.
Thanks.
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Because the health industry can charge us what they want and change our rates & coverage on the fly...
..... Make that statement to any practicing US physician and let me know what the reaction is.
...and not only the health care but banking, energy etc all have our representatives in their pockets.. We are just the ATM ..
..... and you are uncritically trusting these very same representatives to legislate total control of the entire American healthcare industry? Please explain.
Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
You guys got to invade Iraq for no reason and got 8 years of Bush.
I think as restitution, our side should get 8 years of Obama and health care for the working poor at 1/10th of the cost of the annual US defense budget.
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..... In 2008 Medicare/Medicaid expenditures alone were greater than the US defense budget. Beyond that, Social Security expenditures were approximately equal to the US defense budget. Taken together, they were more than twice the US defense budget. Add in welfare and other such public benefit programs and more than half the entire US budget every year is now consumed by social spending. How much more do you want to devote to social spending? How much less do you want to devote to defense?
After having spent such huge sums for multiple decades since the 60s on every manner of social program, we still have lousy urban schools, poverty, racism, sexism, burgeoning unemployment, a gigantic illegitimate birth rate, etc, etc, etc. What can you offer to convince me that MORE social spending will actually improve anything?
Just asking.
Obama's price tag for health care reform: $900 billion over 10 years (which I prefer to the House bill's projected $1 trillion-plus)..... In 2008 Medicare/Medicaid expenditures alone were greater than the US defense budget. Beyond that, Social Security expenditures were approximately equal to the US defense budget. Taken together, they were more than twice the US defense budget. Add in welfare and other such public benefit programs and more than half the entire US budget every year is now consumed by social spending. How much more do you want to devote to social spending? How much less do you want to devote to defense?
After having spent such huge sums for multiple decades since the 60s on every manner of social program, we still have lousy urban schools, poverty, racism, sexism, burgeoning unemployment, a gigantic illegitimate birth rate, etc, etc, etc. What can you offer to convince me that MORE social spending will actually improve anything?
Divide that by 10 and you have about $90 billion a year on average.
Recent US Defense budget passed by Congress and signed off on by Obama: $650 billion.
(so I should have said less than 1/6th, not 1/10th, oops)
Anyway we already spend more federal dollars per capita on health care than any other nation and we hardly get anything because the money is allocated so wastefully. The current bills being bandied about and the public option are intended to reduce this waste and reduce the deficit, though reality and Republicans don't really mix.
Well look at me pointlessly responding to one of the resident Republicans again, I told myself I would stop posting so much in political topics...![]()
Obama's price tag for health care reform: $900 billion over 10 years (which I prefer to the House bill's projected $1 trillion-plus)Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">..... In 2008 Medicare/Medicaid expenditures alone were greater than the US defense budget. Beyond that, Social Security expenditures were approximately equal to the US defense budget. Taken together, they were more than twice the US defense budget. Add in welfare and other such public benefit programs and more than half the entire US budget every year is now consumed by social spending. How much more do you want to devote to social spending? How much less do you want to devote to defense?
After having spent such huge sums for multiple decades since the 60s on every manner of social program, we still have lousy urban schools, poverty, racism, sexism, burgeoning unemployment, a gigantic illegitimate birth rate, etc, etc, etc. What can you offer to convince me that MORE social spending will actually improve anything?
Divide that by 10 and you have about $90 billion a year on average. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
..... 90 billion per year for national healthcare? LOL. Let me tell about this bridge in Brooklyn that I have for sale ....
So let me see if I understand all of this. Insurance companies are making a profit selling insurance to customers.
Now the Government wants to sell insurance to the people of the U.S. and lose 90 billion a year to do it.
Where in anybodies minds does that make any sense?
And with the numbers being thrown around I would spend MORE having to buy the governments insurance then I presently do with private insurance. And that includes dental and vision.
And as ive stated before the only people this NHC is going to hurt is the working middle class.
And here's the Pelosi kick in your pants:
The gub'mint will begin collecting your tax dollars NOW, while benefits will NOT START for another 4 to 5 years. So we have 4 to 5 years of additional taxes on a battered middle class and small business, with no benefits.
Q: I thought we needed this bill immediately to save all those souls we're losing every second that ticks off?
<span class="ev_code_yellow">A: We'll have to endure 4 to 5 years of more uninsured death til we start saving everybody.</span>
Q: Where will all this collected tax money be held for 4-5 years? Is it held in an interest bearing trust fund?
<span class="ev_code_yellow">A: No. Nancy, the Pres and Congress will have full access to these funds.</span>
Yeah, all the money will be there waiting for us when our "free" healthcare bennies are due. Just like all the social security I've paid in for years, it really will be there.
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