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    It always gives me a bit of a chuckle when some gamer on a forum just says a dev should switch engines on a game as if that'll make all the issues go away.
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    Originally Posted by HorTyS Go to original post
    It always gives me a bit of a chuckle when some gamer on a forum just says a dev should switch engines on a game as if that'll make all the issues go away.
    Yeah and that's the thing. Old Tom Clancy games would be good examples for what I was trying to explain in my post in this thread. For Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, it uses the same game engine for all platforms. The original Xbox has better hardware than PlayStation 2 and GameCube, and therefore game devs were able to take full advantage of the hardware of Xbox and PC. You can see the drastic graphical differences between the consoles on the same game. It's like playing a completely different game for PS2 and GC. There were two different dev teams assigned for Splinter Cell Double Agent. One for Xbox, PS2, GC and the Wii and the other for Xbox 360, PS3 and PC. Like Chaos Theory, there's still graphical difference when comparing Xbox to PS2, GC and Wii. Double Agent on the Xbox 360, PS3 and PC is running on the same game engine, it's just more heavily modified.

    KarliN. thinks I'm criticizing, but I'm not. I was merely explaining that the game engine is not the problem. It's the hardware the game engines run on and usually game devs have to cutback just so it would optimize properly for consoles. Gamers love to use the words 'downgraded graphics', but they don't understand that game devs often have to sacrifice some aspects of the game so it would run properly.

    Game devs often create optical illusions as alternatives in order to achieve visual scenery that would otherwise be heavily taxing.
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    COD can do more than 5v5.
    Battlefield more than 5v5.
    Multiple respawning vehicles.
    Multiple game-modes, ballistics etc...all on consoles.

    Like i said before...i hope theyve roided it up for some 32v32 conquest, even 12v12 CTD/STS/TDM. 6 vehicles each team. All options of course, for the mapper/lobby host.

    Big maps with jets, jet-packs, jet-skis, skis.
    Heli's, tanks, jeeps, 3-wheelers.
    Trampolines, elevators, star-gates.
    Grant us a workshop, where we can share not only maps, but assets too.

    Some of these things were being speculated about even before FC3 was released (kinda comparing to what Dice were doing over in Battlefield).

    For sure its a more focused single player game, and the engines probs more optimised for that, but, 8v8 FC2 (2008) to 5v5 FC5 (2018)....dont think anyone predicted/speculated that.
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    Ahh crap... I guess it´ll be the usual stutterfest then
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    Wish lists and new concepts

    KrayZee has made valuable contributions to the forums, comparing HUD of Dunia versus other engines. (As for Kream, "opinion about where they weren't satisfied in the game have made you upset and turn you defensive about it", is he 10?)
    The way a game world is perceived is via the HUD and is what persuades players when comparing games. If Ubi abandons the Dunia HUD for Far Cry they abandon the look and feel, the perception and the concepts for distance. This comparison of game versions is about multi-player. Far Cry 2 is my favourite and still stands out as the best version for mp in many ways; perhaps the Canadians were inspired ahead of the curve.

    There's a proverb, "If it's not broke don't fix it," and you might have noticed Land Rovers are still popular. Maybe the wrong people are in charge of computer game design, and they are incapable of registering in their brains that what made a game successful ought to be kept in the next version. Perhaps the decision makers at Ubi are confused about the difference between a new game and a new version of an old game. New people with new ideas are good to push the boundaries and create new game concepts, but for a new version of a popular game it's nonsense to abandon the successful elements. New concepts in a new game (old name) or new concepts with the previously successful game elements? Is it really that hard to grasp? Releasing a new version should not mean change, bigger and better, just for the sake of change.

    What makes a game succcessful? Take Starcraft. SC races have units with different abilities; say Terran has Helion with speed and ranged flame thrower. To counter that, a Zerg player could use an airborne unit that's good against ground targets. Successful concept, millions of players and world chamionships. Contrast that with Far Cry 2 mp balance in weapons, there were different weapons that could counter each other and that was the balance in competing teams.

    Maybe somebody should start a KickStarter to fund a re-designed FC2 mp, the best elements of FC2 or other versions that fans liked. We're all wasting time if we wait for Ubi to use the ideas from forum wish lists.
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    The gameplay trailer looked pretty good to me.

    All the grumbling seems premature. If you have doubts, wait for reviews.

    I'll be planning to jump in at launch.
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    Oh- my god-! Huhuhuh. Original post is just asking and I myself said "I made my peace with it". So there is no bad mouthing here or whatsoever. There is no reason to be defensive and start posting passive aggressive contradictions. Please. Let's just tip the mood back to neutral zone, please? Please. I'm not going to check this thread again. I mean, I came here because I remember this post being very old and just realized this was bunked up to second on the list. Cheers.
    Oh by the way, trailer does look nice.
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    Originally Posted by Kream Go to original post
    I wouldn't say it is a bad engine even with constant auto-save stuttering
    That doesn't have anything to do with the engine. It was just a terrible design choice from someone who was probably smoking very bad stuff.
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    legacyzero posted:
    "CONFIRMED: Map Editor is OUT of FC6".
    "So youtuber JorRaptor interviewed a Ubi lead and it was confirmed that the Arcade will not be making a return.
    "Source: https://youtu.be/tZE9icWOiFg"
    No map editor, meaning no modding community.

    It's bizarre - Ubi just launched a Fankit and details of new end-game single player content to pacify us until the release in October 2021. Is Ubi going to sell a game only for single player?

    Any Ubi dev want to join some enthusiastic industrious Far Cry fans to start a crowd fund? Yeah I'm serious. Far Cry mp could be the sort of game that develops into leagues and challenges, as in StarCraft. Starcraft has been played for 11 years!
    Btw, I have a large number of user maps for Far Cry 2. Maybe they can be converted? About 10% of them are usable but it's one hell of a start (we're talking thousands..)
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