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[Echomute]

You can get NK level differences very easily, and the difference between 22 and 25 isn’t even all the big in reality. You assume people gain NK levels only through card leveling, but they could also just be donating a heck of a lot of cards and focusing only on a key few for their deck (which is basically what I did). You also assume that if you see a L24 NK in the 7000 rank is a deranker, but that’s really probably not likely. More likely, they are Free players that have played for years and donated cards, or they just may not be good players. Again, NK level isn’t a good indicator for deranking.

If indeed you are seeing fully 7/6/5/4 (common through leg) ranks at 7000, then yes, I’d say the person could be a derankers. But the presence of one or two (maybe even 3 excluding the legendaries) of those card levels isn’t conclusive, especially in card event weekends.

[cleric_1]

You can get NK level differences very easily, and the difference between 22 and 25 isn’t even all the big in reality. You assume people gain NK levels only through card leveling, but they could also just be donating a heck of a lot of cards and focusing only on a key few for their deck (which is basically what I did). You also assume that if you see a L24 NK in the 7000 rank is a deranker, but that’s really probably not likely. More likely, they are Free players that have played for years and donated cards, or they just may not be good players. Again, NK level isn’t a good indicator for deranking.

If indeed you are seeing fully 7/6/5/4 (common through leg) ranks at 7000, then yes, I’d say the person could be a derankers. But the presence of one or two (maybe even 3 excluding the legendaries) of those card levels isn’t conclusive, especially in card event weekends.

Most of my matches are against 7/6/5/4 weather it’s an event or it’s not. That is my point. I just played someone with a l4 somm, ninjew, dusa, satan, Incan, wdt. Not uncommon at all

[Echomute]

Most of my matches are against 7/6/5/4 weather it’s an event or it’s not. That is my point. I just played someone with a l4 somm, ninjew, dusa, satan, Incan, wdt. Not uncommon at all

What was the ELO of that match?

Edit- just an observation, that combo is everywhere now. Holy cow.

[cleric_1]

What was the ELO of that match?
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Edit- just an observation, that combo is everywhere now. Holy cow.

I was 7250-7300. Not sure what they were

[Cural42]

So listen to what I am saying. A nk 22 vs nk24 represent a 2x xp level. That means they have double the amount of upgrades. Whereas a 17 vs 19 is no where near that different in terms of upgrades.

These are the total XP requirements for each of those levels:
Level 17 - 22210 XP
Level 19 - 38210 XP
Level 22 - 85210 XP
Level 24 - 140210 XP

Level 19 requires a bit more than 2/3 of what 17 requires, and gives an additional 3 damage per hit with the zapper, and 83 more health per bar.

Level 24 requires just under 2/3 of what level 22 requires, and gives an additional 4 damage per hit with the zapper, and 121 more health per bar. For slightly less than 50% greater health increase and only 33% more attack increase, hitting 24 from 22 requires nearly THREE TIMES as much XP. So there is actually FAR GREATER value going from 17 to 19 than there is going from 22 to 24.

Also, neither one requires anywhere near 2 times the XP of the lower level, whether 17 to 19 or 22 to 24.

If you are playing a 4/5/6/7 deck at 7250 you are part of the problem. You are Intentionally playing low. You may justify it in any number of ways but that deck should be playing closer to 8k.

Oh, I'm sorry. My bad. I didn't realize my mistake. I should just stop TRYING TO WIN EVERY SINGLE MATCH I HAVE REGARDLESS OF HOW LITTLE CHANCE I HAVE OF WINNING, and just simply win the match instead. Great! Thanks! Problem solved! I'll just go off and rank myself up from my floor to 8000 right now! Silly me, going and losing matches at my floor because I made the mistake of trying to win the match!!

Perhaps I should point out that the above was sarcasm. Just in case you missed it. Maybe you should read what I said earlier, before jumping to conclusions and claiming that I am part of the problem. Here, let me quote if for you:

"Considering I never throw a match"

And when I say never, I mean NEVER. I can be losing 0-2 with an enemy army in front of my NK and 5 seconds left on the clock, and I. Still. Fight!

I am running a 3/4/5/6 and will hardly ever win. Hell I have seen lvl 5 legs.

I am running 3/4/5/6 on my alt, and have only broken into legendary once, a couple weeks ago, then got beat back down soon afterwards. If you made it to 7000 with those levels, consider yourself lucky!

I have seen multiple posts (not here but other places) by 24-25 with 4/5/7/7 decks saying they do not play higher elo because it’s not worth it.

I've seen that too. Some of those are actual derankers. However, I am not one of those. And many of the ones with those levels playing in the top ranks are running the meta. That makes up the difference their card levels don't.

I admit me pushing to 8200 last month was a huge mistake. I was having fun with one of the events and being punished for it. This game should not punish people for playing.

I always push for as high as I can go, too. I've managed to break 8500 once, 8000 either 2 or 3 times, can't remember for certain. Currently, this season my high is just over 7500, and I'm currently at my floor in high 7100s. I could probably do better if I change my event deck, but a 7 point deck requires fewer wins to finish the event.

I don’t want easy opponents but I do want fair ones. There is a huge difference between lvl 3 legs and a deck full of level 4 legs. There are people that are better but I would put a pretty big wager that If the decks were reversed the win would be reversed as well. That is because the Match up are unbalanced.

It IS a fair match, in 7000+. Just because you are in the minority who are running 3/4/5/6 in 7000+ doesn't mean you should ONLY be matched with other players running 3/4/5/6. Imagine there were a few people who managed to reach 7000 with a 2/3/4/5 deck, and the game matched them only with each other to avoid what you refer to as an "unfair" match.

So these chumps get to avoid 99% of the player pool in their arena, just because their card levels are lower? How on earth is that fair to EVERYBODY ELSE trying to slog through their matches with 4/5/6/6 players?!? That's a recipe for artificial SR inflation, putting those players with lower card levels into an SR they don't deserve to be in.

Also the vast majority of my matches are against people with higher nk (more card upgrades) and more elo. As a 7200 I play far more 7500 then 6900.

The SR of your opponent will almost always be within 200 SR above or below your own. Greater differences can and do occur, when one or the other player has waited long enough for a match that the matchmaking parameters got expanded. If you face a 7500 while at 7200, that's a 300 SR difference, meaning that 7500 player has been waiting a long time for a match because there were no opponents to be found closer to his rank. The higher you go, the fewer players there are. Thus, you're much more likely to find someone within your range than a 7500 is, thus going to a SR more than 200 below you WILL be less common than facing someone more than 200 above you!

All this is to say you should have a realistic chance of winning matches when you play. When the cards are this outlandishly wrong something needs to be improved.

No, it's just saying you don't have a realistic expectation of what level of competition you should be facing at your rank. It's not all sunshine and rainbows above 7000. It's SUPPOSED to be difficult. And it's supposed to be even MORE difficult for anybody punching above their weight class. This is intended, so those who are punching up are forced back down to where they belong, unless they actually EARN it.

[Cural42]

You assume people gain NK levels only through card leveling, but they could also just be donating a heck of a lot of cards and focusing only on a key few for their deck (which is basically what I did).

More likely, they are Free players that have played for years and donated cards

Yes. This. Exactly this. This is exactly how I got to 25. LOTS of donations. I was top of the donations leaderboard week after week after week on my team, up until I hit 25. It took me a little over 2 years as a FTP player to do just that.

[cleric_1]

So to get to 17k requires 22k xp, to get to 19 requires 38k...there is a fair difference there


But to get to 22 requires 85k xp, to get to 25 requires 185k so


That’s a crap ton of upgrades....if you donated all your cards you wouldn’t be able to have a 4/5/6/7 deck


If I was go against 24/25 that donated a lot and didn’t have high levels that’s one thing. But when you are that high and have levels up card it’s easier to donate cards as you already have them...

So if I am lucky to have gotten to 7k at 3/4/5/6 not mean the system is broke if I should be down in the. 6k range.


The issue is resets and reward structure that motivate people to know win.


If you have 4/5/6/7 cards and you can’t get into high 7k or 8k somethings up.

[Echomute]

That’s a crap ton of upgrades....if you donated all your cards you wouldn’t be able to have a 4/5/6/7 deck


The issue is resets and reward structure that motivate people to know win.

Re 1, false. You would be if you’ve been playing 1.5-3 years. It’s easy to get to 25 if you just donate cards nonstop. And you would still get to 4/5/6/7, but only for the cards in your deck. You would not have a lot of variety in your deck card options.

Re 2, true. The reward structure is broken.

[Echomute]

If you have 4/5/6/7 cards and you can’t get into high 7k or 8k somethings up.

These are different issues from your post so I’m breaking them up-

Your position is just false. This completely ignore meta, combinations, and player skill.

[cleric_1]

These are different issues from your post so I’m breaking them up-

Your position is just false. This completely ignore meta, combinations, and player skill.

If you run decks that are not designed to work not even saying meta decks but just weird decks. That’s deranking too. You are tying to play down and get matched with Lower people.

A half way decent 4-5-6-7 deck will beat a meta 3-4-5-6 deck most days of the week.

But again if you are running a l4 dusa wdt satan Incan somm. That’s not a non meta deck. You don’t exactly need a lot of skill with that deck to beat a 3/4/5/6 deck