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[cleric_1]

Well there's why. 7000+ is FULL of level 25s. I should know, I'm one of them. And I frequently lose to level 22, 23, and 24 opponents. If you don't want competition, go back down to the baby leagues with all the derankers.

So the solution to deranking is more people deranking?

[Echomute]

NK level is not important. You can easily, legitimately be 25 at 7K rank range if you’ve been playing for years and didn’t spend money. What levels cards are being used? If you see two or more L5 legendaries at 7K, that’s an issue. But there are plenty of real L4 legendary players in the 7K range.

Use of the phrase “Max decks” isn’t helpful. Can you give examples of cards and deck theme combos? Also consider some combos are just meta superior right now.

[skidster1]

So the solution to deranking is more people deranking?

We might be on to something here, if everyone did it then it wouldn’t be a problem anymore. I like the way this is going, do continue...

NERF NOTHING, BUFF EVERYTHING, UP THE DERANKERS, DOWN WITH UPRANKERS!

[ScottOld]

no the solution is RL actually do something about it..
last 2 events every time i get near 8.3, constant derankers, or rubbish hands to players below my rank (as per usual.. like 2/10 matches are someone 8.2 or above.. so you grind back to where you were winning 60-70% matches) and its really frustrating when you play a deck thats 8.7.... and next game is an exact copy paste..... at 7.9

[Cural42]

So the solution to deranking is more people deranking?

Wow, jump to conclusions, much? These level 25 opponents you're facing are in that rank range LEGITIMATELY. They are not derankers, for the most part. Those who ARE derankers, are sitting in low 7000s with level 5 legendaries. NK level difference of 3 or 4 levels means squat. Like I said, I regularly lose to opponents the same level as you, and even at a higher SR than you.

So no, the solution to deranking is not more deranking. The solution to being butthurt about being beaten by players who are legitimately in that rank range is deranking. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the fire.
Step up to the plate and bring your "A" game, or move over and let the big boys play.

[cleric_1]

Wow, jump to conclusions, much? These level 25 opponents you're facing are in that rank range LEGITIMATELY. They are not derankers, for the most part. Those who ARE derankers, are sitting in low 7000s with level 5 legendaries. NK level difference of 3 or 4 levels means squat. Like I said, I regularly lose to opponents the same level as you, and even at a higher SR than you.

So no, the solution to deranking is not more deranking. The solution to being butthurt about being beaten by players who are legitimately in that rank range is deranking. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the fire.
Step up to the plate and bring your "A" game, or move over and let the big boys play.

So the people with max 4 legs, max 5 epics, max 6/7 rares and 7 commons playing people that don’t have any of those are not de ranking...got it.

Nk makes a difference when there is a 2x card upgrade difference. The difference between 22 and 24 is massive. It’s not like a 17 vs 19. There is minimal difference but a level is not a uniform amount of experience.


How on earth do you know they are legitimate? Especially when I see them say they derank so in events like today they can clean them up quickly so they will be done with it. They do so at the expense of other players.


So apparently the solution to deranking is more de ranking

[cleric_1]

NK level is not important. You can easily, legitimately be 25 at 7K rank range if you’ve been playing for years and didn’t spend money. What levels cards are being used? If you see two or more L5 legendaries at 7K, that’s an issue. But there are plenty of real L4 legendary players in the 7K range.

Use of the phrase “Max decks” isn’t helpful. Can you give examples of cards and deck theme combos? Also consider some combos are just meta superior right now.

Max deck. All commons 7 rares max 6/7 epic max 5 and legs max 4. If they had like one leg or one epic at those levels I understand. It’s the whole deck.

There is fundamental issue of matchmaking because people game the system. Rl could do something about it but they choose not to. My belief is they want people paying to watch the ads.

[ScottOld]

sorry but most ARE NOT.. if it isn't the derankers its all the stupid ADV lock players sitting sub 8k with level 7/7/5/5
the penalties for deranking are nothing, I reached 9k last season through an event, and as a result my floor is 8k... would be higher but i'm stuck at 8.2-.8.3 because of the deranks and matchmaker screwover (constant 7.9 and 8k players when at 8.2) but if i reached 9k and have a floor of 8k... why are these people with multiple 5's below my floor? you telling me they cant easymode their level 5 SOMM's medusa and ninjews to 9k? a ranking system is supposed to rank players on their ability, when players are not doing that then the system isn't working and needs to be changed so it can't be exploited and this event is just as bad, 2 losses to people below me based on almost mirror decks, which is annoying and frustrating when trying to actually climb when you throw all the ELO losses from derankers

[Cural42]

So the people with max 4 legs, max 5 epics, max 6/7 rares and 7 commons playing people that don’t have any of those are not de ranking...got it.

You just described the card levels that I, and the majority of opponents I face, use in that exact rank range. And in that range, I both win and lose matches against opponents at or below my NK level. When I run into a potato running less than that at 7000+, it makes me wonder how they managed to make it that high, as it is incredibly rare to make it there with decks lower than 4/5/6/6(7). Not impossible, as there are some who have figured out how to build a winning deck with lower card levels that can still compete up here, but definitely rare.

Nk makes a difference when there is a 2x card upgrade difference. The difference between 22 and 24 is massive. It’s not like a 17 vs 19. There is minimal difference but a level is not a uniform amount of experience.

First of all, if you're running 2/3/4/5, then you DEFINITELY don't belong above 7000. Heck, you don't even belong in legendary with those levels! If you're running 3/4/5/6, then your opponent would be sitting with only a +1 level advantage over you, not double the level. But then, if you enter 7000+ with those card levels, then you should be going in with the expectation of some very difficult matches, and many losses.

Second of all, the difference between 22 and 24 is 121 health per bar and 4 attack, while the difference between 17 and 19 is 83 health per bar and 3 attack. The difference in health is not quite 50% more, and the attack difference is only one more, comparing one to the other. Definitely not "massive" by any stretch of the imagination.

Card levels play such a HUGE role in how well you will do against your opponent, as well as player skill, and deck design. ALL THREE of those factors have much more impact on the match than a 2 or 3 NK level difference.

How on earth do you know they are legitimate? Especially when I see them say they derank so in events like today they can clean them up quickly so they will be done with it. They do so at the expense of other players.

When about 90% of my opponents are in the 22 to 25 level range, running 4/5/6/6(7) decks, in arena 13, and I am equally matched on a regular basis such that there is no significant upward or downward movement in my SR, then it is obvious that I am facing a normal level of competition for that arena, NOT derankers. Considering I never throw a match, and I match your description of "deranker," it's obvious your definition of "deranker" is actually "anybody who's just plain better than me, but I don't want to admit in order to soothe my own ego."

So apparently the solution to deranking is more de ranking

Put up or shut up. If you don't like the levels you're facing, get out. You're not going to be given easy opponents at a high rank just to soothe your shattered ego. Why do you think RL should give you an unfair advantage that nobody else gets?

[cleric_1]

You just described the card levels that I, and the majority of opponents I face, use in that exact rank range. And in that range, I both win and lose matches against opponents at or below my NK level. When I run into a potato running less than that at 7000+, it makes me wonder how they managed to make it that high, as it is incredibly rare to make it there with decks lower than 4/5/6/6(7). Not impossible, as there are some who have figured out how to build a winning deck with lower card levels that can still compete up here, but definitely rare.



First of all, if you're running 2/3/4/5, then you DEFINITELY don't belong above 7000. Heck, you don't even belong in legendary with those levels! If you're running 3/4/5/6, then your opponent would be sitting with only a +1 level advantage over you, not double the level. But then, if you enter 7000+ with those card levels, then you should be going in with the expectation of some very difficult matches, and many losses.

Second of all, the difference between 22 and 24 is 121 health per bar and 4 attack, while the difference between 17 and 19 is 83 health per bar and 3 attack. The difference in health is not quite 50% more, and the attack difference is only one more, comparing one to the other. Definitely not "massive" by any stretch of the imagination.

Card levels play such a HUGE role in how well you will do against your opponent, as well as player skill, and deck design. ALL THREE of those factors have much more impact on the match than a 2 or 3 NK level difference.



When about 90% of my opponents are in the 22 to 25 level range, running 4/5/6/6(7) decks, in arena 13, and I am equally matched on a regular basis such that there is no significant upward or downward movement in my SR, then it is obvious that I am facing a normal level of competition for that arena, NOT derankers. Considering I never throw a match, and I match your description of "deranker," it's obvious your definition of "deranker" is actually "anybody who's just plain better than me, but I don't want to admit in order to soothe my own ego."



Put up or shut up. If you don't like the levels you're facing, get out. You're not going to be given easy opponents at a high rank just to soothe your shattered ego. Why do you think RL should give you an unfair advantage that nobody else gets?

So listen to what I am saying. A nk 22 vs nk24 represent a 2x xp level. That means they have double the amount of upgrades. Whereas a 17 vs 19 is no where near that different in terms of upgrades. If you are playing a 4/5/6/7 deck at 7250 you are part of the problem. You are Intentionally playing low. You may justify it in any number of ways but that deck should be playing closer to 8k. I am running a 3/4/5/6 and will hardly ever win. Hell I have seen lvl 5 legs.

I have seen multiple posts (not here but other places) by 24-25 with 4/5/7/7 decks saying they do not play higher elo because it’s not worth it. I admit me pushing to 8200 last month was a huge mistake. I was having fun with one of the events and being punished for it. This game should not punish people for playing.

I don’t want easy opponents but I do want fair ones. There is a huge difference between lvl 3 legs and a deck full of level 4 legs. There are people that are better but I would put a pretty big wager that If the decks were reversed the win would be reversed as well. That is because the Match up are unbalanced.


Also the vast majority of my matches are against people with higher nk (more card upgrades) and more elo. As a 7200 I play far more 7500 then 6900.



All this is to say you should have a realistic chance of winning matches when you play. When the cards are this outlandishly wrong something needs to be improved.