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[MrBdur]

Why no new executions? Why no new emotes? Why does Gryphon use recycled animations?

The answer is simple folks. Covid is keeping the For Honor devs from accessing MoCap.

MoCap is required for any new animations. This includes new executions, emotes, and attacks.

Just a heads up. This could go on for a while longer yet. Don't expect to see these things any time soon.

[Knight_Raime]

I mean they haven't really done unique executions/emotes etc for awhile even before covid. It's just much less work for them to do faction specific/class specific/event specific cosmetics at this point regardless of the situation.

As far as Gryphon goes i'm tired of repeating this but covid isn't the excuse. Both him and Warmonger were far into development before covid hit and mocap is something that would be done early on. This "excuse" can only apply to heros year 5 and beyond assuming we even get any. The harsher reality is they likely don't have the budget they used to anymore and thus can only focus on creating new "stuff" in targeted areas. Y4 was entirely focused on game health which is probably where most of the budget went. I wouldn't be surprised if Y5 is focused on making aspects of the game better as well.

[MrBdur]

I mean they haven't really done unique executions/emotes etc for awhile even before covid. It's just much less work for them to do faction specific/class specific/event specific cosmetics at this point regardless of the situation.

As far as Gryphon goes i'm tired of repeating this but covid isn't the excuse. Both him and Warmonger were far into development before covid hit and mocap is something that would be done early on. This "excuse" can only apply to heros year 5 and beyond assuming we even get any. The harsher reality is they likely don't have the budget they used to anymore and thus can only focus on creating new "stuff" in targeted areas. Y4 was entirely focused on game health which is probably where most of the budget went. I wouldn't be surprised if Y5 is focused on making aspects of the game better as well.

I mean, if this is true then For Honor truly is dead and there's really no point in continuing to hope for a healthier future.

We should just wait for For Honor 2, or another company to make their own for honor like game, or just forget for honor ever even existed and move on.

[Knight_Raime]

I mean, if this is true then For Honor truly is dead and there's really no point in continuing to hope for a healthier future.

We should just wait for For Honor 2, or another company to make their own for honor like game, or just forget for honor ever even existed and move on.

I disagree. The game doesn't need to continue to funnel in new heros when we still have plenty of work to do in regards to the current roster. And there's still some game wide things that can be improved for general health of the game like making an input cleaner/remove parry first priority in order to severely gimp dodge, bash, gb selects. Or making solid heros drop their guard for a portion of their dodge ala Valk. etc.
I think it's perfectly fine with them to continue to give budget cosmetics (and budget heros ala warmonger/gryphon if budget allows it) as long as they continue to work on the game as a whole of which they seem to be doing still.

Though I suppose if your only draw has been hero releases then yeah. Probably should take the L and leave. But yeah, we've known for quite some time now that hero development takes 7-9 ish months give or take a month and a half.

[MrBdur]

I disagree. The game doesn't need to continue to funnel in new heros when we still have plenty of work to do in regards to the current roster. And there's still some game wide things that can be improved for general health of the game like making an input cleaner/remove parry first priority in order to severely gimp dodge, bash, gb selects. Or making solid heros drop their guard for a portion of their dodge ala Valk. etc.
I think it's perfectly fine with them to continue to give budget cosmetics (and budget heros ala warmonger/gryphon if budget allows it) as long as they continue to work on the game as a whole of which they seem to be doing still.

Though I suppose if your only draw has been hero releases then yeah. Probably should take the L and leave. But yeah, we've known for quite some time now that hero development takes 7-9 ish months give or take a month and a half.

No no no I'm not saying the draw is new heroes, but if they were so lazy as to create a hero with all recycled animations by choice, then like, what is there really? If they have such a small budget that they literally cannot afford to keep up with the demand, then they should just stop. Let someone else buy the rights and give it a shot.

[Knight_Raime]

No no no I'm not saying the draw is new heroes, but if they were so lazy as to create a hero with all recycled animations by choice, then like, what is there really? If they have such a small budget that they literally cannot afford to keep up with the demand, then they should just stop. Let someone else buy the rights and give it a shot.

I don't understand how you can acknowledge their budget might be smaller now and still choose to call them lazy. Even if budget wasn't a problem this is by far and away not the first time they've taken existing animations and modified them to some degree and reused them. This has been happening with executions for quite sometime. It's not like they just slap in the animation there's work that's to be done with it.
Plus I know it's a meme but like. Gryphon is actually supposed to copy other characters for lore reasons. Are we going to say that's not important or just disregard it?

Also piss off with the whole "can't keep up with demand" thing. Gaming communities always demand more. That's actually why the budget for games continues to increase and the bar continually gets higher. There is no concrete amount of content that will satisfy any given community. I would 100% agree that the IP should be sold off if they were planning on cutting support and being done with it. But they're not as far as we're aware. And I find it irritating that people can't be more flexible with how things are being done. Gryphon is far more his own beast than he is anything or anyone else. It just strikes me as petty for anyone to take him down a peg just because he borrows some animations from some heros.

Like as much as I love Warmonger she's at least more deserving of that than Gryphon.

[MrBdur]

I don't understand how you can acknowledge their budget might be smaller now and still choose to call them lazy. Even if budget wasn't a problem this is by far and away not the first time they've taken existing animations and modified them to some degree and reused them. This has been happening with executions for quite sometime. It's not like they just slap in the animation there's work that's to be done with it.
Plus I know it's a meme but like. Gryphon is actually supposed to copy other characters for lore reasons. Are we going to say that's not important or just disregard it?

Also piss off with the whole "can't keep up with demand" thing. Gaming communities always demand more. That's actually why the budget for games continues to increase and the bar continually gets higher. There is no concrete amount of content that will satisfy any given community. I would 100% agree that the IP should be sold off if they were planning on cutting support and being done with it. But they're not as far as we're aware. And I find it irritating that people can't be more flexible with how things are being done. Gryphon is far more his own beast than he is anything or anyone else. It just strikes me as petty for anyone to take him down a peg just because he borrows some animations from some heros.

Like as much as I love Warmonger she's at least more deserving of that than Gryphon.

I mean, he could have easily learned from whoever and then gotten his own spin on moves from other heroes, thus having a slightly different animation for the same move.

Honestly, I'm not complaining about Gryphon. You should know where I stand on Gryphon and everything else. I've made enough posts about him.

My entire point is that I believe we haven't seen any brand new animations for anything in a while and my opinion is that covid has some effect.

This whole arguement has been me saying "if what you say is correct, then..." where I don't fully agree with your original opinion so therefor everything else I've argued is just speculative based on you being 100% correct which I don't think you are.

I feel like, while most new heroes have taken the time frame you stated, a hero that uses existing animations would take much less time and could be pumped out quickly as an alternative to releasing a previously planned, mocap requiring hero.

Unless you have confirmation from Ubisoft that Gryphon was already being worked on before Covid was ever a thing, then you don't really have a leg to stand on seeing as how these are just our opinions.

[Knight_Raime]

I mean, he could have easily learned from whoever and then gotten his own spin on moves from other heroes, thus having a slightly different animation for the same move.

Honestly, I'm not complaining about Gryphon. You should know where I stand on Gryphon and everything else. I've made enough posts about him.

My entire point is that I believe we haven't seen any brand new animations for anything in a while and my opinion is that covid has some effect.

This whole arguement has been me saying "if what you say is correct, then..." where I don't fully agree with your original opinion so therefor everything else I've argued is just speculative based on you being 100% correct which I don't think you are.

I feel like, while most new heroes have taken the time frame you stated, a hero that uses existing animations would take much less time and could be pumped out quickly as an alternative to releasing a previously planned, mocap requiring hero.

Unless you have confirmation from Ubisoft that Gryphon was already being worked on before Covid was ever a thing, then you don't really have a leg to stand on seeing as how these are just our opinions.

I really don't have the time or energy to really pull apart animation differences. It would ultimately be splitting hairs. The fact that they successfully took JJs side dodge heavy animation and sped it up and it didn't end up looking like some janky pos should be proof enough that they actually did work with his animations.

I'm not asserting that covid hasn't had any effect on them at all. I'm specifically stating it's not had an impact on the two new heros designs. You can look to marching fire and both the hero releases before and after it by doing quick math and seeing for yourself how long it takes them. I'm like 70% sure Ubi talked dev time cycle forever ago.

So I don't have any link from them. But I can definitely confirm gryphon design wasn't effected by covid because his own damned VA said he was working with them over the course of the better part of a year. And the interview where this was mentioned was done and recorded last year.

Said VA also mentioned that sometimes they get to see rough animations of the hero themselves to get a better idea on how to get in character for the sounds they want. I shouldn't have to spell it out for you. I never make baseless claims.

Finally you're extrapolating based on very little if any actual knowledge of a creation process let alone fh's process. You could argue that having a base to work off of males somethings "quicker" but that's just grossly simplifying for shoddy arguments.

Ive no doubt they could've made 2 other heros for Y4 if they really wanted to. They didn't though. Specifically because they wanted to focus on game health. I honestly don't know what we're even debating here. You should've just shut up and listened to me when I told you you were wrong.

Nothing here changes the situation. People are just grasping for something to cling to to justify their disappointment instead of just taking stuff for what it is and learning to deal.

[MrBdur]

I really don't have the time or energy to really pull apart animation differences. It would ultimately be splitting hairs. The fact that they successfully took JJs side dodge heavy animation and sped it up and it didn't end up looking like some janky pos should be proof enough that they actually did work with his animations.

I'm not asserting that covid hasn't had any effect on them at all. I'm specifically stating it's not had an impact on the two new heros designs. You can look to marching fire and both the hero releases before and after it by doing quick math and seeing for yourself how long it takes them. I'm like 70% sure Ubi talked dev time cycle forever ago.

So I don't have any link from them. But I can definitely confirm gryphon design wasn't effected by covid because his own damned VA said he was working with them over the course of the better part of a year. And the interview where this was mentioned was done and recorded last year.

Said VA also mentioned that sometimes they get to see rough animations of the hero themselves to get a better idea on how to get in character for the sounds they want. I shouldn't have to spell it out for you. I never make baseless claims.

Finally you're extrapolating based on very little if any actual knowledge of a creation process let alone fh's process. You could argue that having a base to work off of males somethings "quicker" but that's just grossly simplifying for shoddy arguments.

Ive no doubt they could've made 2 other heros for Y4 if they really wanted to. They didn't though. Specifically because they wanted to focus on game health. I honestly don't know what we're even debating here. You should've just shut up and listened to me when I told you you were wrong.

Nothing here changes the situation. People are just grasping for something to cling to to justify their disappointment instead of just taking stuff for what it is and learning to deal.

I'm aware you don't make baseless claims. That doesn't mean you can't be wrong sometimes.

Not saying you're wrong here, I'm sure you're correct. You have more knowledge on the game than I do.

Sorry if I was mistaken, but I truly believed Covid was stopping the team from delivering new content. I was defending them, not attacking them.

I personally like Gryphon. I truly don't have a problem with re used animations. I was just poking holes in your story.

You use JJ side dodge heavy animation as the example to prove they worked on Gryphon's animations. Lol

Dude.

I never said "they did no work on his animations". I said "he has no unique animations".

Speeding an animation up does not make it new or unique. Also, it's quite a simple process. Wouldn't take much time.

Of course the devs would claim they worked on him for the same amount of time as other heroes. They wouldn't want to admit they slapped him together.

Again, not saying that's what happened, just poking holes in your statements seeing as how emotional you seem to be getting.

Sadly, I've lost a little respect for you here, Raime. To address me the same way as you would address some new user who only came here to cry about the hero that just whooped them is mind boggling.

To say "you should have just shut up and listened to me" is crazy dude. Sorry if I struck a nerve but get over it.

[Knight_Raime]

I'm aware you don't make baseless claims. That doesn't mean you can't be wrong sometimes.

Not saying you're wrong here, I'm sure you're correct. You have more knowledge on the game than I do.

Sorry if I was mistaken, but I truly believed Covid was stopping the team from delivering new content. I was defending them, not attacking them.

I personally like Gryphon. I truly don't have a problem with re used animations. I was just poking holes in your story.

You use JJ side dodge heavy animation as the example to prove they worked on Gryphon's animations. Lol

Dude.

I never said "they did no work on his animations". I said "he has no unique animations".

Speeding an animation up does not make it new or unique. Also, it's quite a simple process. Wouldn't take much time.

Of course the devs would claim they worked on him for the same amount of time as other heroes. They wouldn't want to admit they slapped him together.

Again, not saying that's what happened, just poking holes in your statements seeing as how emotional you seem to be getting.

Sadly, I've lost a little respect for you here, Raime. To address me the same way as you would address some new user who only came here to cry about the hero that just whooped them is mind boggling.

To say "you should have just shut up and listened to me" is crazy dude. Sorry if I struck a nerve but get over it.

As I said, i'm not claiming covid hasn't provided any challenges for them. I'm just saying that it shouldn't have effected these two heros due to the gestimation we have on their development cycle. And I further extrapolated that the lack of individual executions/emotes might also not be effected purely because we've not had unique executions/emotes long before covid was a thing. And then closed that by saying Warmonger/Gryphon are not the first time we've seen reused animations by citing past executions. I'm pretty sure zhanhu actually uses a modified animation from nobushi as well with one of his stances.
These two heros are the most blatant examples I guess.

I'm not sure what holes in my story you've made. And yes I used that animation as an example because it's the easiest one I can point to and happens to be one of the ones people complain about a lot. We've seen what happens in the past when they speed up animations without doing work. The fact that it looks as good as it does despite being significantly faster is a good thing to see. I'm not arguing new or uniqueness. Merely trying to shove back against the notion that people make all the time about a lack of work/value in the end result just because it's not brand new.

So you're just going to write off the VA's claim and continue to call it slapped together? I treat everyone here the same. Just because you happen to agree with me on other topics doesn't give you preferential treatment. I've taken the piss out of goat in an argument before as well and other people i've grown to respect here. So yeah. I'm going to treat you like that. Especially if you continue to say dumb **** like that. Frankly you're lucky. If it had been some nobody i'd have just moved on and ignored you.

And yeah i'll admit it. I am livid. It's one thing to judge a creation based purely on how you like it or dislike it. What annoys me to no end is when someone tries to attach an empirical value to something as a basis for the quality or lack their of of a creation. The fact that you're so ready and able to trash on Gryphon's design just because i've removed the excuse that was convienant for you speaks volumes.