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Was thinking about a Thatcher alternative since he gets banned just about every ranked game.
So i know we have Khali but most people find her rifle frustrating.
So a change i'd make to her would be to give her some decent primaries to choose from and her gadget is now a launcher like Ash's breaching rounds.
Or we add in a new operator that helps with getting through reinforced walls.
Obviously another EMP type operator is out of the question, so how about an operator that can place Three shockproof mats on reinforced walls and hatches and be bullet proof like Castles barricades but be half the size, lets say almost as big as a hatch?
The gadget would still be countered by Mute's jammers and if Aruni's gadget has been placed on the exterior walls then the operator has to take the damage to place the mat.
Since the operator has a gadget thats immune to shock damage I think it makes sense He/She wears gloves and boots that are also immune to shock damage, making them the most direct counter to Bandit and Kaid.
The mats can also be placed on doorways / windows and drywall.
Keep in mind the mats are about half the size of Castle's barricades,
You can place a mat on a single door, meaning defense would have to vault over it, would combo well with a claymore and act as a clash counter to i suppose if she were off site for some reason...
Blocks off a single window almost completely, the gap at the top would allow for a niro cell, Shumika, gas canister, frags ect... to pass on over.
Lets say buck makes a small hole through some drywall, you can come in behind him and place a mat over the over hole to cover your flank so defense has one less angle to push from, making the site more secure.
The mats would also cover up a Mira window but if the window is popped it destroys the mat.
So we now have an attacking operator that now helps you get on site and can setup some sort of defense to slow down the progress of defenders making it back onto site.
A little niche but i think it still has enough to be a viable operator.
** Edit ** Thinking about how the different hardbreachers gadget's would work with the mat, Thermites would be the best as it blows an entire wall, Hibana would get away with 6 pellets per mat, Ace one selma per mat, but it gets zapped if you're placement is bad when it goes off and does it's weird walking animation...
So its not perfect and works best with some operators better than others.
** 2nd edit** In regards to Mira she would make a viable counter. Let's say this operator places a mat on a wall, this makes some noise, Mira can place a window on that location and it destroys the mat and whatever gadget might be stuck to it, if another mat is placed onto of the window Mira can pop the window, again destroying the mat and whatever gadget might be attached. It would take some good timing to pull off but totally doable.
** 3rd edit ** When a mat is placed on a doorway one could also use it as a trap. One by placing a claymore ( as mentioned earlier ) two by placing a breaching round on it, a defender gets close to the mat you now have a " sort of " pre placed nitrocell waiting. Three, it would allow Fuze to see some extra utility from his gadget.
Thoughts?
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So its like those new hard breaches that EVERYBODYS packing these days ? Only shockproof. No, I like the direction but it's on the wrong side of the road and heading towards oncomming traffic. Id like to see a new form of reinforcements all together. An op that has some sort of shock proof reinforcements, meaning Bandit/Kaid holds no value and niether does Thatcher or those tiny hard breaches. I see why everybody's got those too. Makes sense seeing as how nobody likes poor old Thermite anymore, even though hes still packing heat . I keep thinking concrete walls of some kind for a new op, with a new counter, as well as the removal of maybe half those tiny hard breaches and the inclusion of tiny concrete plastic explosives. Than let the guessing game begin.
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The mat doesn't breach anything... It only allows you to safely place a breaching gadget on a wall thats been electrified, Mute still hard counters it and Aruni is a soft counter. This operator favors Thermites gadget so of all things Thermites pick rate would increase or you would see this new operator get banned and we might actually get to use Thatcher once again.. Either way we need someone to shake up this " Ban Thatcher wagon " that is in ranked.
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I see. I'm still over the electronic meta. A new alien metal alloy or a new gadget that prevents wall breaching that isnt exactly an electric based design. Its to easy for any basic 5 stack to easily just push right through the main retaining wall. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to understand (destroy gadget and quickly place hard breach on). . I just take my Kaid and electrocut barbed wire. I dont even take the nitro or bother with the walls. Kaid is my main barbed wire op.. The metal alloy could just prevent emp effects from passing through it, so you would need to actually use tactics to reach the battery. And Maverick wouldnt be able to heat the new alloy to a high enough degree to melt it. This new op would also have full access to the entire inventory of the barricades at his disposal. So if they choose, he can place all 10, but he will die trying. I know This from experience.
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What you're thinking of is a composite material, like a carbon ceramic plating or tungsten plating would work as well. The only issue i have with it is, if it's impenetrable then it's overpowered, even more so if they can do all the walls... Some sites would become too difficult for attack to secure, the game is already in Defenses favor as it is.I see. I'm still over the electronic meta. A new alien metal alloy or a new gadget that prevents wall breaching that isnt exactly an electric based design. Its to easy for any basic 5 stack to easily just push right through the main retaining wall. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to understand (destroy gadget and quickly place hard breach on). . I just take my Kaid and electrocut barbed wire. I dont even take the nitro or bother with the walls. Kaid is my main barbed wire op.. The metal alloy could just prevent emp effects from passing through it, so you would need to actually use tactics to reach the battery. And Maverick wouldnt be able to heat the new alloy to a high enough degree to melt it. This new op would also have full access to the entire inventory of the barricades at his disposal. So if they choose, he can place all 10, but he will die trying. I know This from experience.
But what i will agree with you on is the " electronic meta " hence my mat operator.
This operator 100% counters Bandit and Kaid, therefore forcing defense to use Mute.
With the only exception of someone impact grenade / nitro cell tricking on some objectives. Which would destroy the mat and whatever hardbreaching gadget might be stuck to it..
If Defense did only use Mute ( kinda defeats the purpose of my mat operator but also kinda not because Bandit and Kaid weren't even picked ), Attack would still need to use other operators to get rid of the Mute jammers to get through the wall, again it would change up the current meta.
It would all come down to whoever is banned at the start of the game. Whether Thatcher or this new operator gets banned will determine which operators are banned on defense and how the game plays out.
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Not impenetrable. Thermite , Hibana and Ace would still get in if a shock drone get in there or a frag. . Those are explosives same as those new hard breach squares , where as Maverick has his Coleman Torch he bought at Target. This would Just be a prevention of emp and swiss cheese maker Maverick would be the most effected. It would have to be Zero and Kali to... This is if they go that titanium alloy route .
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So let me get this straight, what you think is a viable option in the hopes of reducing the high ban rate he has in ranked, is to introduce a Defensive operator that has his/her own version of the wall reinforcements, which are made out of some special material which means Thatcher's EMP grenades can't penetrate the material to disable the gadgets on the other side? The special material is also gas torch proof, but all other hard breaching gadgets still work as normal? Also Zero's cams and Kali's Lances can't pernitrate the material either?
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If you want to only effect Thatchers EMP then instead of a titanium alloy plating which technically wouldn't do anything to prevent an EMP from traveling through it. Might i suggest you change your idea to a Faraday cage?
These exist and are what people use to protect sensitive electronics from EMPs. The mesh on the window of a microwave oven is an example of a Faraday cage.
Perhaps your operator idea is someone who places a small Faraday cage over reinforced walls kinda like how Aruni works. You'd succeed in reducing the effectiveness of Thatcher while having something that actually functions in the real world.
Only thing is a Faraday cage works both ways so technically it would prevent the AOE effect from Mute's jammers from affecting enemy gadgets placed on the other side of the wall, making Bandit and Kaid more desirable operators and nerfing Mute in a way. Unfortunately regardless of the material you thought of using to block the EMPs it technically has to block Mute's jammers as well.
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Not only Thatcher. I'm sure the R6 world really needs a Maverick counter and to me he seems to be the most difficult to think of one. Having the idea of higher end metals that are more heat resistant seems to be a good path. Thatcher is just annoying on those few times he actually shows up. Toss one here and toss one there Than boom bang all the walls are open and both sites look like a glass building . but my teams dont do this because they run backwards into sites. As for mute, well he's designed for Intel denial more than anything. Or so I heard.
