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[Maxime_Qc-]

I erveryone.. i was wondering if someone could show me an image of current tier list with all bew heroes etc...

Since i wasn't there for a long time..

[Goat_of_Vermund]

I think we have at least as many as people, and there are lower tier heroes like Tiandi (A tier) that hardcounter Warden (S tier) as far as duels goes.


The best meta picks in 1v1s are Warden, Conqueror, Black Prior, Berserker, Warmonger and I would say it is safe to add Gryphon (though he is actually far weaker imo than the other meta picks).

For 4v4, the two best heroes the two with the most broken feats: Warmonger and Gryphon. Black Prior or Warlord, Centurion, Shaman, Kensei, Tiandi and possibly JJ count as the other best, near mandatory picks. In low level 4v4s, Shugoki is extremely effective, but he has nothing that forces you to engage him, has some very bad recoveries and you can space him out easily, so as soon as your opponents grow brains, he is no longer effective. Definetely don't pick any assassins aside Shaman if you want to be effective (maybe you get away with playing Berserker).

[MrBdur]

I think we have at least as many as people, and there are lower tier heroes like Tiandi (A tier) that hardcounter Warden (S tier) as far as duels goes.


The best meta picks in 1v1s are Warden, Conqueror, Black Prior, Berserker, Warmonger and I would say it is safe to add Gryphon (though he is actually far weaker imo than the other meta picks).

For 4v4, the two best heroes the two with the most broken feats: Warmonger and Gryphon. Black Prior or Warlord, Centurion, Shaman, Kensei, Tiandi and possibly JJ count as the other best, near mandatory picks. In low level 4v4s, Shugoki is extremely effective, but he has nothing that forces you to engage him, has some very bad recoveries and you can space him out easily, so as soon as your opponents grow brains, he is no longer effective. Definetely don't pick any assassins aside Shaman if you want to be effective (maybe you get away with playing Berserker).

I can still play Orochi quite nicely

[Goat_of_Vermund]

I can still play Orochi quite nicely

Well, he is like giving a piece advatage for someone in chess: you probably lose against any serious player since that disadvantage is too big, but you certainly make a psychological effect to seriously claim you think you will win with such an overwhelming weakness (fools and truly magnificent players do it alike, but on your skill level, there are less and less fools). If you see an Orochi on Diamond V, you will now that he had to deflect hundreds of people to get there. If you see a Conqueror at Diamond V, you know that he had to shieldbash spam and turtle people to death, and that he will shamelessly shieldbashspam you to death while there is nothing you can do but watch.

[MrBdur]

Well, he is like giving a piece advatage for someone in chess: you probably lose against any serious player since that disadvantage is too big, but you certainly make a psychological effect to seriously claim you think you will win with such an overwhelming weakness (fools and truly magnificent players do it alike, but on your skill level, there are less and less fools). If you see an Orochi on Diamond V, you will now that he had to deflect hundreds of people to get there. If you see a Conqueror at Diamond V, you know that he had to shieldbash spam and turtle people to death, and that he will shamelessly shieldbashspam you to death while there is nothing you can do but watch.

I fought Xbox's #35 GM and they played Orochi and didn't deflect me once, just outplayed me. Lol

[Knight_Raime]

There is no official competitive tier list. The practice of making one afaik has been abandoned for quite sometime. You're also not indicating which mode you want a tier list for. However i'll give you some notes for both duels and for Dominion. Do not take my word as gospel. While I will include some competitive opinions there's also a fair bit of my own opinion mixed in.


Duels:

For duels much of the heros that were strong still are. The only one worth noting that fell down from duels is LB. It's safe to say he's no longer the best duelist. He's not poor mind you. But for the most part he's not busted anymore. Notable heros that went up would be people like Zhanhu, valk, nuxia, and Orochi. The first 3 greatly benefitted from CCU's lower damage across the board, frame advantage, and general harder to react to play. Orochi also benefits from FA but not quite as well as the former 3. He's also bordering the line of reactability. However because he has good damage on his deflects and his wind guest deflect leaning directly into his unblockable heavy means Orochi is semi strong defensively. His unblockable heavy is notable specifically because linking into it from pretty much anything via buffering makes it one of the fastest looking UB's in the game making it hard to parry unless you can consistently react to parry flash. Not only that but the shorter link time via buffering means you can't stuff his mix up nor GB it if you're in hitstun/block stun of any kind. And because it's a heavy finisher it's FA. So if you tried to attack Orochi immediately he can deflect or dodge and get right back into his mix up. And he can choose to stuff your attack start up.



Dominion:

Similarly to duels LB is no longer a mandatory pick quadrouple S tier character. Again he's still more than viable but he's not a god anymore. But his still relatively high max punishes and impale off of parry and decent selection of feats/hp pool keep him from falling into the trash like Nobushi when she was plucked from god status. The current mandatory picks is just Warmonger. Her kit offers nothing remarkable of note. She's not bad in any situation but she's also not good in any situation. She exists as a mandatory pick purely because of how busted her feat design is. She will always remain mandatory until her feats are redesigned or nerfed into catapult tier.

Shaman isn't a mandatory pick anymore because Centurion can replace her on a team. Both are disgusting from a gank/team fight perspective. Centurion in particular being one of the only 2 heros that can ignore revenge immunity and also being one of the only 2 heros that can actually reset hitstun via his pin mechanic. Shaman was partially disgusting because of her traps. Well Centurion has a throwable beat trap that is a guaranteed ledge via his kick. And unlike shaman his eagle's talons locks someone in an animation. Meaning multiple heavies are guaranteed. As compared to shaman's 1. You can run a team in comp without either and still be successful but you'll be at a pretty big disadvantage without one.

It's too early for any official competitive word on the new hero Gryphon but my bet is going to be another warmonger situation. He'll be mandatory if his T2/T3 are not banned feats in skrims. His kit is also not very remarkable like WM but also not really bad anywhere either. Unlike WM however his feats can be balanced with number adjusting. So even if he becomes a mandatory pick he's got a more likely chance of leaving mandatory status than WM ever will.

Hero wise there's not many worth mentioning that went up besides Shugoki and Zhanhu. Goki purely because of how FA works for him and how good his recoveries are after landing heavies now. He's a team fight monster because of this. He also has a T4 that knocks plenty of people over. Which does anything from ledging someone to setting up constant easy big damage from himself and near by players in the team fight/gank. Also T4 plus his bow (which is the best bow draw time in the game) is an easy way to setup a kill on someone and not risk much for yourself. Zhanhu is here because of how much he benefits from the CCU. Though for both duels and dominion i'd still say he's not a great hero. Good. But not great.


The heros that are struggling pretty hard to do much of anything at the moment are Shinobi, Jormungandr, and Nobushi. There are a few that are not far behind and are just scraping by. Heros like pk and aramusha. By in large most heros are usable at pretty much any skill level outside competitive play in dominion. Which is something that should be applauded if you've been around FH as long as I have. We've still got a ways to go with the roster but we're a far cry away from the old days where we had maybe 5 heros worth playing.

[MrBdur]

There is no official competitive tier list. The practice of making one afaik has been abandoned for quite sometime. You're also not indicating which mode you want a tier list for. However i'll give you some notes for both duels and for Dominion. Do not take my word as gospel. While I will include some competitive opinions there's also a fair bit of my own opinion mixed in.


Duels:

For duels much of the heros that were strong still are. The only one worth noting that fell down from duels is LB. It's safe to say he's no longer the best duelist. He's not poor mind you. But for the most part he's not busted anymore. Notable heros that went up would be people like Zhanhu, valk, nuxia, and Orochi. The first 3 greatly benefitted from CCU's lower damage across the board, frame advantage, and general harder to react to play. Orochi also benefits from FA but not quite as well as the former 3. He's also bordering the line of reactability. However because he has good damage on his deflects and his wind guest deflect leaning directly into his unblockable heavy means Orochi is semi strong defensively. His unblockable heavy is notable specifically because linking into it from pretty much anything via buffering makes it one of the fastest looking UB's in the game making it hard to parry unless you can consistently react to parry flash. Not only that but the shorter link time via buffering means you can't stuff his mix up nor GB it if you're in hitstun/block stun of any kind. And because it's a heavy finisher it's FA. So if you tried to attack Orochi immediately he can deflect or dodge and get right back into his mix up. And he can choose to stuff your attack start up.



Dominion:

Similarly to duels LB is no longer a mandatory pick quadrouple S tier character. Again he's still more than viable but he's not a god anymore. But his still relatively high max punishes and impale off of parry and decent selection of feats/hp pool keep him from falling into the trash like Nobushi when she was plucked from god status. The current mandatory picks is just Warmonger. Her kit offers nothing remarkable of note. She's not bad in any situation but she's also not good in any situation. She exists as a mandatory pick purely because of how busted her feat design is. She will always remain mandatory until her feats are redesigned or nerfed into catapult tier.

Shaman isn't a mandatory pick anymore because Centurion can replace her on a team. Both are disgusting from a gank/team fight perspective. Centurion in particular being one of the only 2 heros that can ignore revenge immunity and also being one of the only 2 heros that can actually reset hitstun via his pin mechanic. Shaman was partially disgusting because of her traps. Well Centurion has a throwable beat trap that is a guaranteed ledge via his kick. And unlike shaman his eagle's talons locks someone in an animation. Meaning multiple heavies are guaranteed. As compared to shaman's 1. You can run a team in comp without either and still be successful but you'll be at a pretty big disadvantage without one.

It's too early for any official competitive word on the new hero Gryphon but my bet is going to be another warmonger situation. He'll be mandatory if his T2/T3 are not banned feats in skrims. His kit is also not very remarkable like WM but also not really bad anywhere either. Unlike WM however his feats can be balanced with number adjusting. So even if he becomes a mandatory pick he's got a more likely chance of leaving mandatory status than WM ever will.

Hero wise there's not many worth mentioning that went up besides Shugoki and Zhanhu. Goki purely because of how FA works for him and how good his recoveries are after landing heavies now. He's a team fight monster because of this. He also has a T4 that knocks plenty of people over. Which does anything from ledging someone to setting up constant easy big damage from himself and near by players in the team fight/gank. Also T4 plus his bow (which is the best bow draw time in the game) is an easy way to setup a kill on someone and not risk much for yourself. Zhanhu is here because of how much he benefits from the CCU. Though for both duels and dominion i'd still say he's not a great hero. Good. But not great.


The heros that are struggling pretty hard to do much of anything at the moment are Shinobi, Jormungandr, and Nobushi. There are a few that are not far behind and are just scraping by. Heros like pk and aramusha. By in large most heros are usable at pretty much any skill level outside competitive play in dominion. Which is something that should be applauded if you've been around FH as long as I have. We've still got a ways to go with the roster but we're a far cry away from the old days where we had maybe 5 heros worth playing.

Poor nobubu... she was my first main... got 30 reps on her... barely play her anymore.

All she's good for right now is light spamming and against good players light spam gets parried quite a bit. No go.

Her hidden stance is not great, her kick is not great, most of her attacks are fairly telegraphed.

She's very "meh" atm, sadly. Can't wait for that TG love and maybe more later

[Knight_Raime]

Poor nobubu... she was my first main... got 30 reps on her... barely play her anymore.

All she's good for right now is light spamming and against good players light spam gets parried quite a bit. No go.

Her hidden stance is not great, her kick is not great, most of her attacks are fairly telegraphed.

She's very "meh" atm, sadly. Can't wait for that TG love and maybe more later

Hopefully that "more" is sooner than later. Because as good as her flow was on TG it's not enough to make her worth using seriously imo.

[MrBdur]

Hopefully that "more" is sooner than later. Because as good as her flow was on TG it's not enough to make her worth using seriously imo.

I enjoy her enough that the TG stuff would definitely have me playing her more again but I agree that she could use a few other tweaks yet.

From what we've seen with other TGs, the stuff we see in them isn't exactly what gets implemented in game, so who knows. Maybe she will have other tweaks when the reworks drop.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

I really hope the TG comes live soon. I never had so much fun with For Honor as I did with the Peacekeeper rework. I mean, she was still quite B tier (especially if they clip the damage), the dodge attacks remained horribly bad, and despite all this, she still become something that must be taken seriously. I can't imagine killing anyone in 30 seconds if that someone doesn't want to die, and killing someone quickly is the definitive strenght of an assassin- if you have the potential to do that, the hero is good, if not, she is not. Excluding Shaman, but she is busted.