Revert Shinobi back to release state | Forums

[King_of_Xibalba]

GayForShugoki I´m curious why you think freeze is a useless moron, really is the first time I see someone giving a so poor opinion on him, He to my knowledge, is a very reliable source of information and I find his analysis very compiling and spot on. I think he is one of the best out there unless there is somewhat I don´t know?

also I would love to see your sugested rework.

[MrBdur]

I am not watching that garbage freeze video and you would do well to not link his useless content on my threads again. His less than credible opinion matters not and puts a major dent in your argument. You have someone who actually has no idea what he is talking about, has no real opinion of his own, and gets all his opinions for Competitive For Honor and For Honor Rants, which are both awful places. He will defend a hero one week and then attack that same hero, despite no nerfs, the following week when his fanbase or the public opinion of that hero changes.

Now, because these children decided to fill up my genuine thread with garbage spam because they argue, everything is ruined.

Either way, Shinobi is not hard to balance. It is due to the constant nerfs that the hero is forced into the ‘off screen ranged attack’ playstyle we see. Shinobi has nothing that allows for the hero to excel in actual melee combat. Light attacks are atrocious, zero combos, everyone and their dog can guard break during the double dash. Shinobi is not a hard hero to counter and you are actually punished for trying to play the hero in a different manner rather than ranged attack spam or light > light > run.

Revert Shinobi back to previous state, gather data from people who have actually played the hero, and then buff/nerf from there. I theory crafted a rework for the hero in fifteen damn minutes. Want to see a tl;dr version of it? I doubt anyone would actually care. I altered entire combos, entire playstyles, even the feats in a matter of minutes with ease. This nonsense about balancing Shinobi is a joke.

The last three heroes released have moves, quite easily accessible, to track dashes. Shinobi has no kit that works, honestly. The fact can willingly sit there and defend it is asinine.

Sorry bud, but you're wrong. I know it's hard to believe for a guy like yourself, but it's true.

I've seen enough of your posts to know you lack understanding of For Honor and its past.

Shinobi was a huge problem before. If you disagree, then you were fighting against noob shinobis.

Anyone who has fought a half decent shinobi back then knows how broken the hero was.

I love the irony of you screaming "freeze has no idea what he's talking about", meanwhile, that statement along with other posts of yours makes it clear that it's YOU who has no idea what he's talkin about.

Nice try though.

[MCBooma16]

I think it's safe to say we can put GayForShugoki into the bracket with I4mTheUnderGod and Fat_Guts, because to claim that a very experienced player like Freeze has no credibility is the same as saying any other high-level player like Faaram or Lord Dem have no credibility. It simply isn't true, and I would go as far as saying that GayForShugoki might have actually gotten smacked around by Freeze in a lobby, and is now concerned with ego over practicality and logic for the game.

I'll give GayForShugoki one more chance to perhaps redeem himself and act like he actually knows what's good for this game rather than outcast a very reliable source like Freeze. If you could prove any of your claims, then we all may consider them. But, to the best of our knowledge, Freeze is one of the top sources for in-game knowledge and mechanics. It's foolish to try and argue against the fact that he and his friends know so much about the game and are kind enough to share their experiences on youtube, for which all of it is hardly debatable.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

I would not put them in the same bracket. Gay is a bit misinformed and has some grudge against Freeze (I would accept that he is not right in everything, but outright dismissing the years he had done for the community is just stupid). UnderGod is not a good player, but I would say she is willing to have a normal conversation. Fat_Guts is something between a very stupid cave troll and an object in intelligence (the object being a broken Hurby, because the usual objects at least shuts up).

[King_of_Xibalba]

I would not put them in the same bracket. Gay is a bit misinformed and has some grudge against Freeze (I would accept that he is not right in everything, but outright dismissing the years he had done for the community is just stupid). UnderGod is not a good player, but I would say she is willing to have a normal conversation. Fat_Guts is something between a very stupid cave troll and an object in intelligence (the object being a broken Hurby, because the usual objects at least shuts up).

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[Knight_Raime]

They should make him exclusively a ranged hero but reduce the range he currently has on ranged attacks. Make ranged light and heavy combos that have maybe the same range as nobushi?

I dunno. Others here like knight raime and goat of vermund are better for actual numbers and statistics but my rough idea is giving shinobi more ranged options that aren't knockdowns on parry/cgb. His ranged gb should also remain but with reduced range and regular cgb mechanics. No getting pulled down.

His identity is this hyper mobile ranged character. His movement should be his greatest defense and his range his greatest offense. Currently, his ranged moves are quite terrible and his close range combos are too simple and they just suck.

Light attacks could be straight shots like nobu light attacks and then heavies could be wider swings. Could even have a helicopter move like conqs zone except with a slower spin and wider trajectory.

Kick now only guarantees a light like nobu but the kick can wallsplat and that gives the heavy.

Remove the weird heavy grab thing. Its weird and kinda dumb. Give him a triple heavy combo and the finisher acts similar to nuxia heavy finisher except shinobi pulls in towards himself for a special move or something?

His movement should stay and his kick, backflip, and rolling kick should too. The kicks only give free lights now but the combo straight shot lights chain to rolling kick just like the current ranged heavies and he can still backflip after an input but it ends the chain.

I hesitated to respond to this thread and from the comments you can see why. It really should just disappear into the ether but because it likely won't for sometime i'll just link my original suggestions thread in this response. It's not a rework thread but rather a suggestions list on how to improve him.

https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...-Shinobi-s-kit

I didn't offer up a rework because I honestly don't know what's best for shinobi since I really don't play him. I've always wanted to though.