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[Knight_Raime]

Nope. Gryphon can put a pressure on opponent withou risk of block or parry. Intelligent Graphon never be blocked or parried. And if you are outnumbered, just spamming dodge attack while swithcing targets is like 3 frame move. It is OP because Ubisoft need money - I understand this point of view but they are loosing players. Even in mid Europe some modes play less than dozen players. It is sad and Ubisoft fail.

Nothing in Freeze's video supports your statement which is riddled with misinformation.

[Knight_Raime]

It still wouldn’t really proof a lot.

Gryphons mix up is locked behind a combo for that very reason.

Like this thing is nothing new Valk has the same thing of a bash as a combo finisher that gives a heavy with similar dmg only difference is that valk sweep is 600ms. (Honestly would say Valk should have the same speed as Gryphon)

Like really this video proofs nothing because nothing mentioned in it is a issue.

I'm just under the assumption that there's a language barrier with OP because nothing they say makes any sense.
and yeah the video isn't proof of anything against Gryphon. But the common response is "shove from neutral/dodge attack" to counter the chain finisher argument.
Which then takes people to prove that neither of those moves are a problem either.
and then it just devolves into nonsense.

[FAT_GUTS]

Nothing in Freeze's video supports your statement which is riddled with misinformation.

My statement was with quotation.

[Gaser.]

I'm just under the assumption that there's a language barrier with OP because nothing they say makes any sense.
and yeah the video isn't proof of anything against Gryphon. But the common response is "shove from neutral/dodge attack" to counter the chain finisher argument.
Which then takes people to prove that neither of those moves are a problem either.
and then it just devolves into nonsense.

Maybe it’s a language barrier but maybe it’s also just blind rage and the inability for this guy to adapt.

I seen a fair few of people that don’t seem to be able to the accept the idea of needing to improve.

[Knight_Raime]

My statement was with quotation.

I'm not sure what you mean.

Maybe it’s a language barrier but maybe it’s also just blind rage and the inability for this guy to adapt.

I seen a fair few of people that don’t seem to be able to the accept the idea of needing to improve.

Potentially. It's pretty much a forgone conclusion that any new hero release or a rework that improves a hero is going to be screamed about in the first month or so.
I'm just hoping if/when he's hit that it's not hard. His kick is too close to nobushi's situation for me to like. The only reason it works is because it's 500ms. I'd rather not have another very uniquely designed hero to get taken out back just because someone screams the loudest or the stats are "too high" for the devs and thus arbitrarily nerfing the move ala goki's hug.

[Gaser.]

I'm not sure what you mean.



Potentially. It's pretty much a forgone conclusion that any new hero release or a rework that improves a hero is going to be screamed about in the first month or so.
I'm just hoping if/when he's hit that it's not hard. His kick is too close to nobushi's situation for me to like. The only reason it works is because it's 500ms. I'd rather not have another very uniquely designed hero to get taken out back just because someone screams the loudest or the stats are "too high" for the devs and thus arbitrarily nerfing the move ala goki's hug.

It’s actually one of the things I dislike about this community, that some people seem to. Be completely unable to understand the idea that they not great in everything and need to adapt to new stuff.

They get so filled up with rage and there own ego that they completely seem to ignore reasons and logic.

Like I had people say Jorms neutral bash is the fastest in the game when he came out and even if you point out that it’s 600ms and show them proof And everything there ego just does allow them to accept it.

I don’t think it’s a good idea to make open post to ask about balance because of these people that are biased on there on ego and inability to adapt / improve.

I rather let some comp players talk only with Ubi and give away my ability to give feedback because I honestly got the feeling these people make up a meaningful part of the community and I don’t want to give these idiots any abilities to effect balance.

[Knight_Raime]

It’s actually one of the things I dislike about this community, that some people seem to. Be completely unable to understand the idea that they not great in everything and need to adapt to new stuff.

They get so filled up with rage and there own ego that they completely seem to ignore reasons and logic.

Like I had people say Jorms neutral bash is the fastest in the game when he came out and even if you point out that it’s 600ms and show them proof And everything there ego just does allow them to accept it.

I don’t think it’s a good idea to make open post to ask about balance because of these people that are biased on there on ego and inability to adapt / improve.

I rather let some comp players talk only with Ubi and give away my ability to give feedback because I honestly got the feeling these people make up a meaningful part of the community and I don’t want to give these idiots any abilities to effect balance.

I mean the devs have an open tap to the comp community. They just choose to not use it because what the comp scene wants isn't 1:1 with what the devs want to do with the game.
But I hear you on the frustrations with the average player. This is why I don't play anymore and haven't played since...shortly after the ccu dropped? I got tired of arguing with people who actually don't understand what they're playing.

I have zero issues with ignorant individuals. My problem comes with people who just refuse to learn despite being given the knowledge. I have a friend who perfectly understands why the game needed the ccu. But he doesn't like how FH plays now. So he quit. I'm fine with that. It's just that "those" people shouldn't be weighing in on balance if they can't leave an open mind to why things are the way they are.

[GayForShugoki]

Freeze straight-up has no credibility. Take nothing he says for granted. He is so afraid of upsetting Ubisoft that he'll remain where he is, no matter what. He will claim that Gryphon is fine until after a certain period when sales die down and Ubisoft give him the a-okay to complain.

[MCBooma16]

It's quite safe to say the OP and everyone who agrees with him is stupid af. If you're halfway decent at the game you would have no problem understanding.

@GayForShugoki Freeze is pretty credible because he always calls out BS when he sees it and has done it much more often than you think. He's very knowledgeable.

He hasn't said anything crazy negative about Gryphon because Gryphon isn't broken or busted or whatever. Gryphon is a good hero, but it's people like the OP that tend to confuse the devs it seems.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

Freeze straight-up has no credibility. Take nothing he says for granted. He is so afraid of upsetting Ubisoft that he'll remain where he is, no matter what. He will claim that Gryphon is fine until after a certain period when sales die down and Ubisoft give him the a-okay to complain.

Gryphon is fine. There is nothing that can not be dealt with in his moveset easily. Only bad players think there is a problem with him, and Freeze is not a bad player. Oh, and he indeed says many negative things about Ubisoft, just check what he said about Warmonger's corruption on release.


I am pretty sure by the way that the balance team make two working, balanced heroes this year, then someone forced some insane feats on them.