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[FAT_GUTS]

I know you need money from selling new Hero but why you made him so stupidly wrong? I was killed by Gryphon without possibility to block or parry just one of his attack! He just spam unblockable shove or kick followed by free hit. Again, again etc... Why is the direction mark on the screen when it is totally useless agains his unblockable openers? Why you cannot hire qualified people who will make the game balanced and better for all? ...

[MrBdur]

i know you need money from selling new hero but why you made him so stupidly wrong? I was killed by gryphon without possibility to block or parry just one of his attack! He just spam unblockable shove or kick followed by free hit. Again, again etc... Why is the direction mark on the screen when it is totally useless agains his unblockable openers? Why you cannot hire qualified people who will make the game balanced and better for all? ...

boooooooooooooooooooooooo

[FAT_GUTS]

boooooooooooooooooooooooo

Intelligent post as allways.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

I know you need money from selling new Hero but why you made him so stupidly wrong? I was killed by Gryphon without possibility to block or parry just one of his attack! He just spam unblockable shove or kick followed by free hit. Again, again etc... Why is the direction mark on the screen when it is totally useless agains his unblockable openers? Why you cannot hire qualified people who will make the game balanced and better for all? ...

You obviously can not block bashes, that is not on the new hero. Shove is 600ms from neutral, same as Jormungandr and Tiandi, you also get the same punish. The kick is 500, but it is predictable, and gives a free guardbreak. Start dodging next time, might be useful against other heroes too.

[Gaser.]

You obviously can not block bashes, that is not on the new hero. Shove is 600ms from neutral, same as Jormungandr and Tiandi, you also get the same punish. The kick is 500, but it is predictable, and gives a free guardbreak. Start dodging next time, might be useful against other heroes too.

These gryphon complains start to reach a level that looks sad to read and watch.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

These gryphon complains start to reach a level that looks sad to read and watch.

Well, I give it to them, you really can not block that bash. That is a fact, probably the first among these complaints. We are getting somewhere. The next one might find out you can not dodge undodgables.

[MrBdur]

Well, I give it to them, you really can not block that bash. That is a fact, probably the first among these complaints. We are getting somewhere. The next one might find out you can not dodge undodgables.

Lmaooo I'm so happy it's not just me thinking these things

[FAT_GUTS]

Lmaooo I'm so happy it's not just me thinking these things

Everyone can dodge ... it is not solution. Because when you dodge, you risk GB and punish. You dodge one, other one will hits you next. The point is the game mechanism is based on reaction - the direction marks. Gryphon does not care because he can open with non-blockable / non-pariable attack with minimal stamina requirements. And again and again. He has also circa 260° wide attacks. Even when you are next to him and he does not facing you, he will hits you. And the best - he has best dodge attack in the game. Small radius, super fast, almost impossible to parry ... CRAZY..

And do not forget about Dominion. When you are outnumbered, you can not block him because his bashes are unblockable. When outnumbered by Gryphon, you are dead, or if you are lucky, you can run away.

I think devs lost control or they really need money a lot by selling new Hero.

[Gaser.]

Everyone can dodge ... it is not solution. Because when you dodge, you risk GB and punish. You dodge one, other one will hits you next. The point is the game mechanism is based on reaction - the direction marks. Gryphon does not care because he can open with non-blockable / non-pariable attack with minimal stamina requirements. And again and again. He has also circa 260° wide attacks. Even when you are next to him and he does not facing you, he will hits you. And the best - he has best dodge attack in the game. Small radius, super fast, almost impossible to parry ... CRAZY..

And do not forget about Dominion. When you are outnumbered, you can not block him because his bashes are unblockable. When outnumbered by Gryphon, you are dead, or if you are lucky, you can run away.

I think devs lost control or they really need money a lot by selling new Hero.

You seem to assume that this mix up should be reactable which it really should not and isn’t designed around.

The entire thing is designed around that if you make the wrong decision you get punished because a reactable mix up isn’t a mix up.

There are even far saver and better mix ups if make the right read on Gryphon he will eat a heavy Most of the Time.


If you get hit by his neutral shove which is 600ms barely has any forward movement or tracking then Jorm got to be a real menace for you, it’s a slow as hell bash if you get hit then because you made the mistake.

Also this stamina cost argument is pure garbage, his stamina drain are the exact same as any other hero with a bash and so are his light and heavys they all fall in line with the general stamina cost of pretty much any other hero in this game.

Wide attacks, same thing as with raider or any other hero in that regard don’t stand in the way and be aware of your positions and his range.



So you telling me a dodge attack that is 600ms, has 400ms of GB vulnerability, that comes only from one side and can’t be feinted is the best dodge attack in game...



Are you high or something?


Not really gryphons gank pressure is actually quite garbage if you compare it with other heroes.


You kinda confirm my point about most of gryphon complains.

Guys like you have no idea about any kinda actual numbers and properties and more focused on: “But it actually feels fast“ , “[Enter new hero name] hurts my ego because I can’t life with the fact I have to adapt to something new“ or “Viable Offensive Tools bad“ the list of stupidity goes on and on .

[FAT_GUTS]

You seem to assume that this mix up should be reactable which it really should not and isn’t designed around.

The entire thing is designed around that if you make the wrong decision you get punished because a reactable mix up isn’t a mix up.

There are even far saver and better mix ups if make the right read on Gryphon he will eat a heavy Most of the Time.


If you get hit by his neutral shove which is 600ms barely has any forward movement or tracking then Jorm got to be a real menace for you, it’s a slow as hell bash if you get hit then because you made the mistake.

Also this stamina cost argument is pure garbage, his stamina drain are the exact same as any other hero with a bash and so are his light and heavys they all fall in line with the general stamina cost of pretty much any other hero in this game.

Wide attacks, same thing as with raider or any other hero in that regard don’t stand in the way and be aware of your positions and his range.



So you telling me a dodge attack that is 600ms, has 400ms of GB vulnerability, that comes only from one side and can’t be feinted is the best dodge attack in game...



Are you high or something?


Not really gryphons gank pressure is actually quite garbage if you compare it with other heroes.


You kinda confirm my point about most of gryphon complains.

Guys like you have no idea about any kinda actual numbers and properties and more focused on: “But it actually feels fast“ , “[Enter new hero name] hurts my ego because I can’t life with the fact I have to adapt to something new“ or “Viable Offensive Tools bad“ the list of stupidity goes on and on .

You have no time to feint an attack to catch the Gryphons dodge because you are already bashed. You can not block or parry, because bash has no direction. So you can just wait and try dodge .. and be feinted into GB or parry. And if you attack you are dodged and punished. His dodge is not 600ms. The Gryphon can dodge attack in the middle of chain. His dodge attack is even faster than Valks dodge. I know it I tested it in Practice mode.

Even the 400ms GB vulnerability is stupid - average Gryphon player do not trigger dodge attack just from neutral with no reason. Before your feint ends, your GB window is closed by his followed attack.

Another stupid thing is "right read on Gryphon" - if you use heavy attack, you will be bashed sooner than you actually hit. If you are lucky and fire light attack, you can punish his bash but he also hits you too so you can not even continue in chain. His bash is also stronger than Conqueror shield bash.

Your post is based on patch notes. Try to play the game.