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[Rayan7333]

Please don't touch

[TheTexasHamhock]

right dude. hes guna be non-viable in duels

[saskamon]

He will still be viable.

HA on lights was a cancerous thing.
No HA on demons embrace will end the era of spamming shugokies.

I played shugo up to lvl 3. And in my opinion, he is the easiest character to play in duels. You win a lot.

[FixWardenLights]

Please touch

[Gaser.]

He will still be viable.


HA on lights was a cancerous thing.
No HA on demons embrace will end the era of spamming shugokies.

I played shugo up to lvl 3. And in my opinion, he is the easiest character to play in duels. You win a lot.

Dude if you got spammed by shugs hug then that’s because you made mistakes all the time.

The hyper armor on the grab part was needed for pressure, now you can just option select him and the worse thing that could have is that he parried you and you eat a light.

Good job, you and other whiny idiots made a mediocre mix up absolutely useless.

[saskamon]

You can't option select shugo all the time.
Eventually he will punish your zone. If you're not a gladiator. HA on hugs was good in 4v4. In 1v1 its really unpleasant to face shugo on ps4. I loose almost every time. And I have to play defensevily. If I'm on bashing character - its not that bad.

Second thing - hugs restore shugos stamina. If I get OOS against shugo its a ggs already. Its even worse than knights with their bashes.
Plus he gets frame advantage.

On ps4 he will be viable even after this nerf.

[Gaser.]

You can't option select shugo all the time.
Eventually he will punish your zone. If you're not a gladiator. HA on hugs was good in 4v4. In 1v1 its really unpleasant to face shugo on ps4. I loose almost every time. And I have to play defensevily. If I'm on bashing character - its not that bad.

Second thing - hugs restore shugos stamina. If I get OOS against shugo its a ggs already. Its even worse than knights with their bashes.
Plus he gets frame advantage.

On ps4 he will be viable even after this nerf.

Yeah how will he punish the zone?

Via a parry which gives him a light attack,

I think you fail to see that every hero that has a half way decent zone option select can cover these outcomes via it: The Heavy, The Hug, Feint to GB.


The rollcatcher he got really does not have any use aginst people that know what they doing, because the main mix up he has that was medicre before is now lacking any meaningful pressure.

Not to forget even if you manage to throw out the hug missing it will still put you in 1,5. Seconds of recovery.


The mix up is in this state nothing more then dead weight. (no pun intended)

[saskamon]

Hard feint into light attack punishes option select. Even bp os can be punished this way. Or hardfeint into parry/cc.

Every character must punish option select in this way. Except for Shugo.

Second: hugs still will land if opponent make a party attempt with regular heavy.

On console he will be viable. On pc - I, honestly, don't care.

[Gaser.]

Hard feint into light attack punishes option select. Even bp os can be punished this way. Or hardfeint into parry/cc.

Every character must punish option select in this way. Except for Shugo.

Second: hugs still will land if opponent make a party attempt with regular heavy.

On console he will be viable. On pc - I, honestly, don't care.

Yeah sadly we can’t really balance for the lower end that makes no sense.


And you pretty much confirmed what I just said if he try’s to do the hug mix up you can just option select him to lower the risk and pressure to almost zero.

Even you just wrote that option are to parry which as I said only gives him a light attack or to go for his dodge bash he will get tho that moves doesn’t even give him any dmg.


Also hard feint in to light is more prediction aginst most fast zones that can option select you and notice something even if you manage to what do you get a light.


You just confirmed my point completely

Honestly this nerf feels like it’s point to the same people who wanted Hito to lose his hyper armour on heavy (tho it was 500ms in to the attack so Hito needed to make a read)

[User1391]

Dude if you got spammed by shugs hug then that’s because you made mistakes all the time.

The hyper armor on the grab part was needed for pressure, now you can just option select him and the worse thing that could have is that he parried you and you eat a light.

Good job, you and other whiny idiots made a mediocre mix up absolutely useless.

A mistake that is far to easy to make and far to rewarding.

Yes you can OP select him out of it now. THATS THE POINT. You can option select out of an enemies attempted GB to ensure yourself when you attempt to parry a feinted heavy now you can insure yourself when you attempt to parry shugoki because his feint is far more deadly

We aren't idiots for wanting fair characters. Jorm has to earn his hammer slam for a measly 38 dmg, they couldn't even spare him the 2 points for a full 40 while Shugoki does 22 gm + 18 heal for a total of 40 health advantage and all he has to do is feint a heavy. If you are playing an assassin that's 1/3 of your health. Hugging should be very risky.
Oh and there is the fact that once you see the indicator its already too late then you are stuck in this long animation in which you are helpless in, its annoying. Maybe you and better players have learned to deal with it that doesn't mean its balanced, this is clearly seen in low tier gameplay, when you have a buch of beginner players who dont know what they are doing in a match and the one Using Shugoki is kicking *** despite being as clueless as everyone else its because he has an inherent character advantage. I remember when i was a noob fighting him always annoyed me, not all characters but him in particular. obviously there is something wrong with him if he stands out so much players frustrations.