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    Ubisoft,please!Make the next male character really canon or don't make fun of US!

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    I made this discussion because Ubisoft really made a fraud and I'll explain why.
    Hoping that someone will agree me,I want to say you the reason of my rage.
    In Assassin's Creed Valhalla male Eivor and female Eivor should have been both canon and equal.
    This thing wasn't important for Ubisoft in the marketing campaign,where they shown always almost male Eivor,and this isn't important now, because of the fact that it is present a canon mode in Valhalla.
    If you choosed this default choice,you should play equally both male and female protagonists,but you'll play for the 80% of the time with female Eivor.
    Instead male Eivor will be playable only in Asgard and Jothunhaim and technically he isn't the viking raider that we know since the reveal.
    He is Odin, because of the fact that female Eivor,after she drank some drugs, because at the end those were drugs,she saw a part of the Odin's life through his eyes.
    So,a part from this mockery,the real problems appear when you try to play normally male Eivor.
    When I made my first cairn,I heard the voice of young Eivor and in a sentence it is possible to hear a past participle.
    In Italy we have two past participles: one male and the other female and in this sentence,also playing male Eivor,I heard the female one.
    Another problem is the fact that in a letter in the Alfred's study the surname Varinsdottir(daughter of Varin)is used also for male Eivor,but luckily,probably with the patch 1.04,now you can find also the surname Varinsson.
    But the thing that makes me more raged is a secret ending.
    When you destroy the order of ancients and arrive to the end of the story,if you use Basim after this moment,you can sit in a little park in front of the cottage of the modern day story.
    When you do this,you can see a scene where also an hooded person,similar to Odin,is sitted.
    This pearson,that smile to Basim,is female Eivor and she appeared also if I played male Eivor for all the story!
    So I can't accept this thing!
    Ubisoft promised us that we could use canonically and equally both the characters and instead we can't even normally play male Eivor!
    So,or in the next game we must get a real male canon character,or Ubisoft shouldn't tell all this bull**its to us!

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    I don't know why you care this much about what's canon and what isn't. Both versions of Eivor are canon, and if you don't like the "let the animus choose" option, you can fully play as male Eivor.

    Also, AC games only had male protagonists for years, so it feels natural to finally have female ones.
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    Originally Posted by Sam_Boo26 Go to original post
    I don't know why you care this much about what's canon and what isn't. Both versions of Eivor are canon, and if you don't like the "let the animus choose" option, you can fully play as male Eivor.
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    Also, AC games only had male protagonists for years, so it feels natural to finally have female ones.

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    Maybe you didn't understand what is the problem of the discussion.
    I've already played and I'm still playing as male Eivor,but if also in this case in the secret ending Basim imagine that female Eivor,a character that practally in my gameplay doesn't exist,is sitted next to him,at this point I think that my rage can be justified.
    For me they can do a game with a female character,but if they put the possibility to choose the gender of your character in the game,they should do it seriously.
    There shouldn't be default choice or canon characters that appear also if you didn't choose her/him.
    Expecially if they said that both the characters were canon.
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    WHOA there were some big spoilers in here.

    I've added tags, but please be more careful in the future.
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    Originally Posted by cawatrooper9 Go to original post
    WHOA there were some big spoilers in here.

    I've added tags, but please be more careful in the future.
    Thanks for the help.
    I didn't said that it was a spoiler discussion because the title was too long.
    Do you have something to say about this argument?
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    As heard in another Ubisoft game released this year by a particular operative I had chosen at the time: "This is the most pathetic case of male tears I have ever seen."
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    Originally Posted by cap.cla Go to original post
    Do you have something to say about this argument?
    Sure.

    I think that it's extremely important that people consider context in this, given a lot that has come to light over the past few years (particularly the past six months or so).

    I think what you're saying is that, in situations where there are two playable protagonist choices, both should be equally canon. There's an argument to be made about how that kinda clashes with the basic presumptions of what Assassin's Creed is all about, but I can totally understand the frustration. It's no fun being told you're playing "wrong".

    However, I think that ideally we'd finally get a game where the one and only protagonist is a woman. That, in my opinion, should be where our efforts as fans would be best spent. Because we now have heard reports that Evie was sidelined for Jacob, that Aya was traded in for a Bayek-centered game (after all, it was her statue in the Auditore manor), that the Alexios/Kassandra choice only existed because someone thought that Kassanrda shouldn't lead the game on her own, and that a similar thing happened with Eivor.

    It appears that women only get to lead their games when there's a compromise. So I really don't think the next game has to have a canon male character. We finally deserve a sole female one.
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    Originally Posted by cawatrooper9 Go to original post
    Sure.

    I think that it's extremely important that people consider context in this, given a lot that has come to light over the past few years (particularly the past six months or so).

    I think what you're saying is that, in situations where there are two playable protagonist choices, both should be equally canon. There's an argument to be made about how that kinda clashes with the basic presumptions of what Assassin's Creed is all about, but I can totally understand the frustration. It's no fun being told you're playing "wrong".

    However, I think that ideally we'd finally get a game where the one and only protagonist is a woman. That, in my opinion, should be where our efforts as fans would be best spent. Because we now have heard reports that Evie was sidelined for Jacob, that Aya was traded in for a Bayek-centered game (after all, it was her statue in the Auditore manor), that the Alexios/Kassandra choice only existed because someone thought that Kassanrda shouldn't lead the game on her own, and that a similar thing happened with Eivor.

    It appears that women only get to lead their games when there's a compromise. So I really don't think the next game has to have a canon male character. We finally deserve a sole female one.
    You're right.
    In fact,only if Ubisoft choosed to have another game where the character can be male or female,the male protagonist for me to respect the fact that both the characters can be important.
    So after one (two if we consider woman Eivor)female characters canon,we should get also a male canon character.
    Naturally, because of the fact that the gender choice shouldn't have existed,it would be better to get a game with only one female character.
    I want to say also that an example to follow is Immortal fenyx rising.
    In that game you can choose the gender of your character,but it's clear that the canon character is female.
    But Ubisoft Quebec didn't show male Fenyx.
    They prefered to show always,every time only female Fenyx and they did the right thing!
    So that they made the people understand who is canon,they let us choose also a male character and you can do it without having references to canon female character.
    If Ubisoft Montreal had done this with Assassin's Creed Valhalla,it would have been fantastic!
    But we know how it has ended.
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