It's ok to finish a game and move on.Originally Posted by mckrackin5324 Go to original post
I have had great runs for both TD1 (900 hours) and TD2 (700 hours). I'm done for now. I'll be back if there's another expansion (unlikely IMO) or TD3.
No it's not. If you want to fast track getting max or near max rolls, that is exactly what you should do.Originally Posted by Sircowdog1 Go to original post
I've had more maxroll loot since Summit was released (with the targeted loot being a free choice) than I did since WoNY was released. Things I couldn't find for months, just dropped easy peasy in Legendary Summit.
And that's a sad state of affairs for the game to be in tbh...
It's fairly logical really when you look at it. You need something specific in a pool of RNG items with high rolls. Do Legendary to maximize the odds of getting higher rolls and combat the RNG with sheer quantity.
If you want to min/max your build, the quickest route atm is Legendary.
The quality of the drops and rolls of the attributes are clearly best in Legendary summit. All you have to do is play it for a few nights and it becomes very obvious. I only play Legendary weeklies, raids and legendary summit at this point because I have nothing else to play for. Summit Legendary has noticably better rolls. I'm not saying I get a lot of pieces I want, because I don't because of RNG, but I'm constantly dropping God rolled and high rolled items for others in there. The loot very noticeable how much better it is than standard legendary strong holds. I even played a day of Heroic bounties and such to level the last specialization on my 4th character and it felt like normal quality loot compared to Legendary Summit.Originally Posted by Sircowdog1 Go to original post
How much of that is Legendary, and how much is the improved targeted loot and directives in the Summit? Because anything that applies to Legendary in Summit also applies to Heroic Summit as well. Even Chicagolongball compared summit to bounties. So I'd be curious to see how you guys do on heroic summit in terms of drops.Originally Posted by Corrupt.be Go to original post
But like I said, it's fine either way. Play on whatever you're more comfortable with. My only real point was to try and cut down on people pushing the idea that legendary is the only way to run. It might be the place to find the best gear if you're already sitting at around 90-95% max already. But it's not the ONLY way.
Legendary only sets minimum average rolls, not highest potential rolls. Hence my point about volume and ease of acquirement on heroic being potentially better. This is only going to be a more blurred line once the optimization station arrives.
By all means, if you've got an elite swat team of bad*sses that can farm legendary at breakneck speed, or you're so damn good you can solo it at speed....then more power to you. But for anyone who doesn't already operate at that level, heroic should not be ignored.
The game developers have clearly shown that the best and fastest way to get top rolled gear is to group up and do The Summit and have left the rest of the solo players to slog it out the long way doing heroics, we all know that solo legendary is slow and very un-rewarding.
It's a big fuc* you to the solo player and a big thank you to group play to justify that the devs did not fuc* up with The Summit.
Dress it up how you like, it is what it is.
OK, but if players don't have fun in game they will stop playing, so you still don't have money. It's bad from both perspectives.Originally Posted by Sircowdog1 Go to original post
OK again, I don't need either a perfect god rolled build to complete any activity in game to date. In fact, my PfE build is somewhere at 80% of its potential right now and do the job well. But, if I have that 20% missing stats I could do the job better and I could have more fun.Originally Posted by Sircowdog1 Go to original post
Maybe, but that optimization station, if it will be implemented in the current state, won't solve the problem due to tremendous amount of materials needed to optimize 1% of an attribute. This is way exaggerated and completely illogic and will make players to leave the game instantly.Originally Posted by Sircowdog1 Go to original post
I wouldn't say it's smart, I'd rather say it's greedy. They made players to pay for nothing, after all.Originally Posted by Sircowdog1 Go to original post
It happened in Division 1, now it's just repeating history. My guess is it will be a Division 3 at some point and I expect to be announced after TU 12 release, maybe a month or two later. If so, I won't buy another game from this franchise from day one, I'd rather wait to see what is going on first and then make a decision. They failed to deliver what they've promised twice in a row, I have no reason to believe that third time will be successful, on the contrary, I could bet the new game will be a bigger disaster than the current one. And players will not migrate back to Division 2, like happened with Division 1, for sureOriginally Posted by Sircowdog1 Go to original post![]()
I'm talking about the attribute roll quality when I mention min maxing. Of course the directives contribute, they increase the odds of dropping targeted loot, they improve my odds by literally fighting RNG with quantity of items of a specific brand.Originally Posted by Sircowdog1 Go to original post
Quantity wise it's the same, but the roll quality is worse on average.Originally Posted by Sircowdog1 Go to original post
These:
- Max roll Carbine 7 (with Damage out of Cover rolled to 10% so I can reroll the talent)
- Max roll FAMAS
- Max roll AK
- Max roll Grupo Concussion backpack
- Near max roll (0.9 off on the CHD) Fenris Obliterate Chest
- Max roll Spotter Walker chest piece
- 12% CHD mods (6 of them)
- Grupo Backpack near max roll Composure (5% CHC, rest max)
- Maxed out Perfect Class Cannon
- Max roll Fenris holster
- Multiple max roll Ceska / Grupo / Providence Holster/Masks
- Another max roll Contractors Gloves
- Max rolled MK17 Rifle
- Almost maxed Ceska Vigilance Backpack
- Almost maxed Grupo Vigilance Backpack
- Almost maxed Walker Concussion & Composure backpacks
... are some of the things I got since choose-able targeted loot exists in Summit. Without being able to constantly play targeted loot in Legendary, this would've taken me months, not weeks. And in the example of the FAMAS, I also rolled over a 1000 on the crafting table prior to Summit's release.
At this point I would just prefer having more Legendary content so I wouldn't be forced to play the same content all the time...
I'm with you 100% on this one. I'd love to see ALL the missions and strongholds on Legendary. At very least start with all stongholds. I'd love to play White Oak, Manning Zoo and Tidal Basin on Legendary.Originally Posted by Corrupt.be Go to original post
Fun is subjective. Money is not.Originally Posted by darkzone.RO Go to original post
I'm sorry, but your argument doesn't hold a lot of water here. Mobile games are almost exclusively predicated on the concept of leeching as much money out of players as possible. Targeting whales and super-whales. Why does this even work? Because some people have FUN spending money.
Granted, Division 2 doesn't have any pay to win aspects to it. But the point I was making is that it's not a good argument to make that "Fun" will be the determining factor for how a game is designed. The developers will make a game THEY think players will like, but then will also be required to make a game the BUSINESS people like.
Why would people leave the game when they're getting a tool they didn't have before. The Optimization station isn't taking anything OUT of the game.Originally Posted by darkzone.RO Go to original post
Now...maybe some players who have already left won't find Optimization attractive enough to return. That's a distinct possibility. But I think it's not fair to leap to conclusions about how much work it will take until we see what the live version of it actually is. I know that right now on the PTS the amount of materials is ridiculous, so it's likely to be the same way in the live version. But we still have to wait and see.
Strongly disagree.Originally Posted by darkzone.RO Go to original post
We paid to get more content and a different system of loot. We got seasons, new gear sets and brands. New exotics. New cosmetics. New events.
While I agree that Massive/Ubi could and SHOULD have done more, it's disingenuous and inaccurate to claim that we got nothing.
This is hard to say.Originally Posted by darkzone.RO Go to original post
I don't know if you've been keeping up with what's been happning in the upper management of Ubisoft over the past year or so. A lot of the idiot people in charge have been removed or retired due to scandal. It's entirely possible that if there is a Division 3, there could be a VERY different approach to design and marketing. The entire philosophy of the game could be different.
Then again, if it's still Massive/Redstorm, we could just see more of the same. Either way I agree with you 100% that I won't buy the game at launch. I'll wait for see how things turn out.
The point I've been trying to make(maybe badly) is that if you're getting good loot on Legendary Summit at a higher average quality, then it should also be possible to trade higher average quality for higher average quantity by playing on heroic.Originally Posted by Corrupt.be Go to original post
In other words, you're going to be able to kill things faster on heroic, which will result in overall more drops over time than you would get in Legendary. More of those drops will be poorer, but some of them will still be very good, or even god-rolled.
So if a person is not at the point where they're comfortable playing on Legendary, or aren't geared enough to do so, or don't have good enough friends/team to do it.....then it's still an option.
Is Legendary still going to be better if you can farm it efficiently? Of course! But not everyone can do so. And in some of those cases, it might be better to focus on the speed and efficiency of spamming heroic Summit instead.
-------------------
Anyway, I totally agree about there being more legendary content. Honestly I wish all missions and even Classified missions scaled up to legendary. And I wish they'd add the targeted loot from Summit to EVERY activity.