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  1. #21
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    Originally Posted by mckrackin5324 Go to original post
    Your experience has no bearing on anyone else.

    Do you honestly believe that everyone will win the lottery just because one person did? Do you think you'll win the lottery by buying your tickets in a smart way or managing their inventory right?

    RNG is luck based. It's also influenced in ways that can lock some players out. If that's intentional or not is debatable but it happens.

    Also, thanks for not getting too offended. My post reads a lot more insulting than it was meant. I was going to delete it until I saw that you'd seen it.

    I apologize for the tone. It was not meant as an insult.


    well i could just say the same then , your "negative" experience has no bearing on anyone else , dont bother to complain , liked it?

    and you cant compare the RNG in this game to a lotto ticket , the lotto ticket might not get a certain number for a loooong long time , never is even a possibilty although it never happened im sure , but RNG is a thing man made/designed to be random but with parameters that guarantee that sooner ot later within a certain time frame you will get something , you even recognize this when you say it can be manipulated.

    and i dont get offended easily , very thick skin , also i think we are all grown ups here so we can talk freely without hurting anyones feelings, no need to apologize as i dont even know what you are refering to as insulting.
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    Originally Posted by Riflemania Go to original post
    Thats strange, i grouped up with my son for a month, both of us with the same amount of hours in that month and he got 30+ exotics and i got 1.
    you are the king of over exagerated complains without any evidence, im not even going to try and discuss about that, you are at this point the movie for my popcorns whe you post and that´s it.
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    Originally Posted by N3mB0t Go to original post
    well i could just say the same then , your "negative" experience has no bearing on anyone else , dont bother to complain , liked it?

    and you cant compare the RNG in this game to a lotto ticket , the lotto ticket might not get a certain number for a loooong long time , never is even a possibilty although it never happened im sure , but RNG is a thing man made/designed to be random but with parameters that guarantee that sooner ot later within a certain time frame you will get something , you even recognize this when you say it can be manipulated.

    and i dont get offended easily , very thick skin , also i think we are all grown ups here so we can talk freely without hurting anyones feelings, no need to apologize as i dont even know what you are refering to as insulting.
    That's bulls#!t. There are NO modifiers in the RNG that says you'll get an item. It is absolutely random according to the devs.

    Show me where any developer says the RNG is not genuinely random. Any post. Any comment. I can wait forever.

    When I say it can be influenced, I mean to say that some players will have permanently bad luck and some will have good. I don't believe it's intentional but it is a thing.

    A flip of a coin is random but it has the possibility to NEVER come up heads. A one in two chance does not mean you will eventually win.
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    Originally Posted by N3mB0t Go to original post
    you are the king of over exagerated complains without any evidence, im not even going to try and discuss about that, you are at this point the movie for my popcorns whe you post and that´s it.
    I have for many many months shown evidence of problems with loot, i started when TU8.5 came out so please don't say i don't show evidence, i don't anymore because i have got to a point of what is the point.

    Ok....it seems you are saying i am a liar......you need to remember something, i love this game and only want it to succeed, one thing i don't do is exagerate and lie to damage this game.
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    Originally Posted by N3mB0t Go to original post
    well , i wasnt defending his honour , im not his boyfriend , i just stated a very similar opinion.

    about the rest i do believe some people have more luck than others but the way you guys complain about it its unreal and cant be taken seriously ,you really believe its possible for someone to NEVER see a certain item because of RNG?

    of course not , RNG just dictates how much time it will take for both players to get it ,while one can get it on the 1st run and the other on the 20st both wil eventualyl get the item within a reasonable margin.


    start being more reasonable and objective in your complaints and im sure life will be easier.

    and no im not informed because of my experience (only),, im informed and experienced , its diferent.
    Maybe you need a different hobby then reading the forums. Cause when there is an issue, players are going to come here to complain. Just because you want to be wrong and disagree, There are issues and for some those issues are worse then they are for others.

    Oh, so you are informed and experienced. Yet you are still wrong. Hmmmmm!

    So how many years, does a customer got to be reasonable and objective? And be ignored by Ubi/Massive before it gets fixed. I have been reasonable and objective and yet tired of the same old excuses and end results. Cause in the real world, if you are doing a job and all you can provide is excuses. You get fired. You don't get to keep ignoring your own mistakes over and over. Customers get real tired of that.

    Being informed and all like you are. RNG is not a measurement in time. It's chance, nothing more and nothing less.
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    Hilarious...Rainbow loot and quality has been an issue since 8.5, and the well reduce the quantity of loot but improve the quality ********. They have said they will fix this since 8.5 and nothing has changed because they dont think want to fix it, otherwise they would have fixed it. By now, it isnt because they cant it’s because they wont, they just dont respect the players enough to tell us the truth... they never have.
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    About the loot, I stopped complaining, because this is like a sharp knife without the handle, if you use it hard, it will hurt your hand: if the loot continues like this, players will always complain that it is bad, if they move , make it easier, a lot of players will be strong with little effort and this may break the game even more, in my opinion, the game loot was never a big deal, but it got worse with gear 2.0 simply because it took out several talents and to show the limitation of the items, while in the original gear they had no fixed values, they came "broken", I remember an Airaldi vest that had 39.6k and another that had 46k, both in the old maximum score that was 500 and in the attributes it showed only their value and not a ******g bar that shows what the limit is, this clearly showed the garbage that the loot is, because if I take an equipment that in the attributes has two full bars and one half with a talent that I want to change, obviously I will consider it as a junk item and maybe not even, I am also against the selected loot, I would prefer that I could have the chance to pick up any item in any (hello, Bearer of the Eagle, who until today with almost 1500 hours of game I couldn't pick up because of a "genius" who decided that you can only take the raid in Normal mode).

    As for rainbow items, if you have experience creating builds (hundreds of hours of gameplay) and the right items you can create a decent build to play in Challenger mode with all guidelines enabled (except for limited skills) and manages to do well in the raids in the discovery mode, in short this loot will still give a lot of headache to the developers, because a misstep can worsen the situation that is already bad, very easy loot with maximum attributes coming out all the time, neither is the solution.

    As for rainbow items, if you have experience and the right items you can create a decent build to play in Challenger mode with all guidelines enabled (except for limited skills) and you can do well in raids in discovery mode, anyway this loot will still give developers a lot of headaches, because a misstep can make the situation worse, very easy loot with maximum attributes coming out all the time, is also not the solution.
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    Originally Posted by xcel30 Go to original post
    The more people complain about loot being broken in one aspect non stop when it's not really broken, more the devs have to rework the system in a rush because everyone is throwing stones at their studio, the more they rush the worse codding gets, the worse the codding gets the more bugs we get, the more bugs we get the more people throw stones. Repeat this enough times and we get the current situation, no way they could fully rework all drop system and summit that fast when open world game break if you misplace a letter, but hey community had to rush everything .
    How’s that coolaid taste?
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    tl;dr You don't ask a man who just broke his leg jumping of a cliff to do it again with the other leg and expect better results.

    Okay i have to say some **** since people like to make stuff up then and i never attack people yet you are more than happy to jump at any point to **** on me:

    1- i never EVER said that loot wasn't bugged, so good to see the community likes to shove words in other people mouth to show off. Loot is full of bugs as people have showed off with evidence
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...LE-gear!!!-WTF!!!


    2- What i said that A LOT of the time people make up their own conspiracy theory about loot and bugs and are proven to be wrong, such as:
    "There was no rainbow loot before WONY"
    "Devs increased the chance for you to get rainbow loot"
    "I'm getting less items because targetted loot replaces most of my drops"

    These are example of ******** people made up, is factually wrong, and they spread these fake news non stop just making discussions about loot impossible

    3- Reworking systems is not easy and add bugs because systems are being overlaid on top differently designed issues. Just like summit went a full rework in everything related to loot, drop rate, quality, scalling, directives in a stupidly fast amount of time, clearly show you that you had a buggy game mode that needed bugfixing instead be replaced for an EVEN MORE rushed buggy mess due community pressure, i'm not sure what kind of person expected this rework to go perfecetly and without issues.


    I'm saying people got what they wanted, an ultra fast poorly made game mode re-done in record time. The rainbow loots has not increased, there is purple being dropped in wrong places, rogue agents are having trouble spawning and softlocking encounters and all these are facts that if anyone says otherwise they are just proving themselves ignorant and not even playing the game. What i am saying can be summed up to "No ****, it's bugged because it was rush job because the community demanded an entire game mode redone in less than a month"

    Originally Posted by YodaMan 3D Go to original post
    The Devs have a job, which they have done poorly. They aren't equipped for this game. This is a big game in my opinion, one that needs Massive Attention and yet it doesn't. The RNG is broken and has always been broken.
    This is a better summary to current situation, devs are incompentent and as result bugs have pilling up in the game. At the same ******g in MY OPINION (otherwise you people will make stuff up that i didn't say, because that's what you appear to do), everyone saw how unpolished and rushed in developtment summit was, yet people ask for them to re-do the game mode, rush it even more this time...and somehow get better results in terms of bug and polish, no way that would happen. What i am astonished is the amount of people that think that every goddanm update is the second coming of christ followed by the next week calling massive the judas that lied to everyone.

    I still want to know what people think i get from being ******g insulted all the time, go check and see that most of my posts here are just informing people about how X or Y work as well asking questions in their topic to elaborate further, i have my fair share o petpeeves with the game, and my fair share of stuff that i like. I just wonder why do you people have in your head that i want a bad buggy game, and not a good fun game
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    Originally Posted by xcel30 Go to original post
    tl;dr You don't ask a man who just broke his leg jumping of a cliff to do it again with the other leg and expect better results.

    ....
    I'm 100% with you on everything you said here.

    You started your trip through this thread by blaming the players for the problems in the game. I cannot get behind you on that.
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