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[Goat_of_Vermund]

Aight so I went into training to test this out. Set each of the bots on parry and CGB. and then I buffer feinted into GB.

Turns out for whatever reason you can't buffer feint into GB to catch raider. Not only that But I tried this against conq, tiandi, warden, and orochi. Same result every time. I myself was Warmonger and then Warden. The only time I managed to get the GB to land was if I feint baited into another direction. This forces someone to deal with 100ms of time when switching. So it caught every time.

Then I thought "let me try with cent's soft feints." In theory this shouldn't matter because buffered hard feints and soft feints are supposed to come out at the same time and neither one is faster than the other anymore. I forgot bots don't respond to soft feints.

HOWEVER I did note something. My feint into regular GB was catching the raider and others I mentioned consistently even on the same side bait. So I tried this with goki and Hitokiri since they both also use variable timed charge heavies. Sure enough the same situation applies.


My guess is that for whatever reason chargable heavies have an earlier feint window. That would be the only explanation I can think of. What's more confusing is I thought they increased all opening heavies recovery to 433ms specifically to make feint into GB consistent to catch people. Which I guess is technically true. Because if you parried on the wrong timing for say a heavy it will catch you. But if you parry on light timing and commit to the heavy it will stuff GB's. So the intended way to deal with people going for light parries seems to be feint into parrying it yourself.

And that feint into GB will only ever catch if the person did the wrong timing for a heavy parry or if the person decides to not commit and feint themselves thus putting them into feint recovery.

Oh, I misunderstood, I though guardbreaking someone parrying on heavy timing.


The best way to deal with someone going for light parry is throwing out a heavy. There was a youtuber named Jamie Birse I used to follow- I think she did not play since Y2's beginning, but she had extremely good ideas on offense (and this was during the time when you got a guardbreak on a parry and superarmor was a thing for many heroes).


Raider is probably one of the poorest defense heroes in the game- he does not have an optionselect, and his dodge attack gives a light parry. I think it is fairly obvious that he is among the weaker duelists because of this (plus his offense is not very hard to beat).

[Knight_Raime]

Oh, I misunderstood, I though guardbreaking someone parrying on heavy timing.


The best way to deal with someone going for light parry is throwing out a heavy. There was a youtuber named Jamie Birse I used to follow- I think she did not play since Y2's beginning, but she had extremely good ideas on offense (and this was during the time when you got a guardbreak on a parry and superarmor was a thing for many heroes).


Raider is probably one of the poorest defense heroes in the game- he does not have an optionselect, and his dodge attack gives a light parry. I think it is fairly obvious that he is among the weaker duelists because of this (plus his offense is not very hard to beat).

Yeah Jbirse hasn't played for a super long time. Letting your own heavy fly is an option too yeah. I don't see anything wrong with what I discovered. It was more a misunderstanding of the devs intentions with the GB vuln changes.