This past spring using poor judgement I followed several clanmates and was a part of the dps exploit. Due to my poor judgement I was one of the individuals who received a ban and roll back on my account. At the time I was frustrated and mad ay Ubisoft, but, ultimately I broke the rules and deserved the punishment. So I hope Ubisoft realizes this is not a gripe session about that. My concern about that issue and others which have occurred since Division 2 has launched is that the Code of Conduct is Subjective; A true Code of Conduct should be applied to all individuals across the board as the rules are laid out without variance due to an individual player. The problem is that this over and over again has not been the case and is the reason for the upheaval that occurred in the Spring. Allow me to explain: Ubisoft had knowledge of many more violators of the Code of Conduct than were sanctioned. They built thresholds and only punished those who exceeded the thresholds while in essence allowing the rest of the violators to go unpunished. But according to the Code of Conduct all violators should have been punished.
Second, this brings us to the Streamers, some of who were punished others were not. The problem was that though they may not have exploited the cheat themselves or exceeded the threshold, a few of the non-punished streamers were among the first to demonstrate to their thousands of subs how to do the cheat. I would think there should be some culpability there. Think about it this way: if someone teaches another person how to build a bomb, the person builds one, uses it, the person who did the teaching can be charged as well. I knw these are two vastly different scenarios, but not sure there is such a distinction if you look at the wording of the Code of Conduct.
Prior to the incident in the spring there were several exploits that the devs simply took a blind eye to. I am not a developer, I do not work for Ubisoft nor aby other gaming company, I am only an end user. I understand that there is a balance they must maintain with their player community. But when it comes to their rules and their Code of Conduct their best policy should always be that of transparency! I am sorry to say this but from a user perspective, you have replaced transparency with favoritism and your game is sinking like the titanic because of it.
I learn at school of alkali poisons then,later in life, poison someone. Is the school responsible? Education is not a crime the intent of that education may be. You would have to prove that people pointed out the exploit to encourage other people to use it.
I would agree that pointing out exploits can generally show a lack of judgment as to how other people may use such information. Diseminating it is certainly not the same as condoning or encouraging its use.
I think it's "Why me?".Originally Posted by SevenNVD Go to original post![]()
That's what I am getting from it alsoOriginally Posted by mckrackin5324 Go to original post![]()
With that being said, I completely get where they're coming from. I've seen certain streamers and Youtubers make videos admitting that they used exploits and get 100,000 views. Nothing will ever happen to their accounts though. One was even offered a job as a devOriginally Posted by SuspiciousPixel Go to original post![]()
If you're talking about MarcoStyle, he never got offered a job. He got advised by a Massive employee to apply for one. Sounds similar but quite different.Originally Posted by mckrackin5324 Go to original post
As for OP's "question" which I assume is about transparency and the lack of it, it's mostly due to policy and the protection of the users.
Massive has the responsibility to provide us players with a fair game environment. How they do that is, to say it cruel, "none of our business". They don't need to explain or provide evidence to other users, and that's in protection of the users themselves. We've all heard stories of players that got reported for troll reasons, and we've all heard stories of false bans and legit players being accused of something they didn't do.
I agree that in some cases you wonder, why did that player get away with such and why is that player sanctioned for so? But if we want gaming companies to answer to all those cases, they won't have the time for the real issue; a fair playing field.
I can't say because at this point, it would be considered name and shameOriginally Posted by SevenNVD Go to original post![]()
The problem is then many teachers, doctors, professors would be arrested.Originally Posted by Ghostlie_71 Go to original post
Take doctors for example when you go to Medschool you learn about various poisons in pharmacology and Forensics. Various combinations of drugs having fatal effects. This is important for doctors to know what could have "caused" the illness.
Take Chemistry Class in high school, which is more relevant today than before. various cleaning personal are getting "sick" because they want to make a "Super cleaning solution" by mixing various detergents together. This, of course, is a terrible idea because certain cleaning solutions when mixed together cause a noxious gas.
Essentially simply teaching something doesn't matter, it is how the person uses that knowledge is what matters in the end of the day. That means the people who learned it and abused it did so of their own free will. They need to learn to take full responsibility of their actions.
I get your point Ghostlie but your post, it's more of a statement than a question.
I think what you mean is that, if someone propagates or teaches someone else how to do something reprehensible, then the one teaching it should also be punished.Originally Posted by Ghostlie_71 Go to original post
I personally think that ultimatetaly, the responsibility lies with the person that's actually acting on it. The law usually abides by that logic (not always). I could explain to someone how to rob a bank in great details, how to escape etc. There's no laws against it. But I can't give him confidential information on the bank, the security system etc. That's because this information is protected by rules/laws. Taking it would be stealing and it's also forbidden to divulge this information regardless of the bank being robbed or not.
Technically, showing and explaining the DPS glitch by doing it is still doing it. But if Massive decided to come up with thresholds and ban those who exceeded them, first off, it makes sense, secondly, it's for them to decide and that's the rule they should follow, regardless of who's broken it.
So unless you have reasons to think that they didn't apply those rules to everyone and unless you have something to back that up, I don't really get what you're complaining about. I mean, as others pointed out, I think you're upset because you got banned when others that used the glitch were not. I do understand, I probably would have been upset at the time too. But right now, there's not much you can do about it except to let it go.