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    Bahhh nerf conq zone

    Omg. Omg. Omg. Omg.

    I am so sick and tired of conq's being able to reaction zone every ******g input of mine and not being able to bait and parry cuz its so damn unreactable since CCU.

    Easy way to fix Conq zone is REMOVE THE SUPERIOR BLOCK PROPERTY.

    Hot damn is he ever stupid to duel against at high level. My word.
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    He's OP since he got the dmg buff on light atacks before CCU
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    Conqueror is probably the closest thing I have to a main I can definitely understand the frustration being on the receiving end of a Conq who abuses the zone. The damage is paltry but damage all the same but it is just so incredibly safe and disruptive it can easily knock an opponent out of their flow and then they have to expect and respect it too much. I always assumed his unique zone was to compensate the Conq for the inablity to feint heavies but its not like he is short on soft feint options.

    I would definitely be okay to see it tested before removing the superior block property because it sometimes does feel a necessary tool in an anti-gank situation since Conqs offense is quite "focused" on his target and he has quite limited range... but it could be that I have just been spoiled being able to use it to almost guarantee me some breathing room minus unblockable spam.

    Maybe even try removing the ability to be able to feint or cancel the second swing allowing players to be able to react to it at least and get a parry if they play their cards right. That or maybe removing the superior block quality on his heavies but this thread is about the zone and I wouldn't be mad if it was looked in to.
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    Originally Posted by Xavyn Go to original post
    Conqueror is probably the closest thing I have to a main I can definitely understand the frustration being on the receiving end of a Conq who abuses the zone. The damage is paltry but damage all the same but it is just so incredibly safe and disruptive it can easily knock an opponent out of their flow and then they have to expect and respect it too much. I always assumed his unique zone was to compensate the Conq for the inablity to feint heavies but its not like he is short on soft feint options.

    I would definitely be okay to see it tested before removing the superior block property because it sometimes does feel a necessary tool in an anti-gank situation since Conqs offense is quite "focused" on his target and he has quite limited range... but it could be that I have just been spoiled being able to use it to almost guarantee me some breathing room minus unblockable spam.

    Maybe even try removing the ability to be able to feint or cancel the second swing allowing players to be able to react to it at least and get a parry if they play their cards right. That or maybe removing the superior block quality on his heavies but this thread is about the zone and I wouldn't be mad if it was looked in to.
    I think he needs some offensive compensation for it (like the ability to finally be able to feint), but the zone really must go the way it is. Using any chain-based offense is practically useless, he has this plus 4 more optionselects, and even if you know he will counter, you still have to make a very hard guess.
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    Originally Posted by Nydardoloth Go to original post
    Try ‘expecting’ the zone... lmao, poor muffin can’t see at high level that #itcomesfromtheleft

    It can be blocked, it can be parried, it can be countered, it can be crushed, the Conc doesn’t even move forward so you can just avoid it by not attacking. #lethimwastestamina

    Conc can’t even feint, try that little thing called dodging when he winds up. Maybe a little blocky blocky, a little parry parry, a little crushy crushy. One would think that at high level you would know the basic little game mechanics by now. #justsayin
    Dude, you are always so incredibly condescending and you act like you know better than more experienced players and you talk down to people as such, and then you cry and wonder why we treat you so poorly.

    Get lost.
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    Originally Posted by Xavyn Go to original post
    Conqueror is probably the closest thing I have to a main I can definitely understand the frustration being on the receiving end of a Conq who abuses the zone. The damage is paltry but damage all the same but it is just so incredibly safe and disruptive it can easily knock an opponent out of their flow and then they have to expect and respect it too much. I always assumed his unique zone was to compensate the Conq for the inablity to feint heavies but its not like he is short on soft feint options.

    I would definitely be okay to see it tested before removing the superior block property because it sometimes does feel a necessary tool in an anti-gank situation since Conqs offense is quite "focused" on his target and he has quite limited range... but it could be that I have just been spoiled being able to use it to almost guarantee me some breathing room minus unblockable spam.

    Maybe even try removing the ability to be able to feint or cancel the second swing allowing players to be able to react to it at least and get a parry if they play their cards right. That or maybe removing the superior block quality on his heavies but this thread is about the zone and I wouldn't be mad if it was looked in to.
    This.

    Thank you.

    I would love to see compensation for the removal, but the superior block on zone is just such a safe move in duel scenarios. Used properly, it answers just about any offensive input.
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    Originally Posted by Goat_of_Vermund Go to original post
    I think he needs some offensive compensation for it (like the ability to finally be able to feint), but the zone really must go the way it is. Using any chain-based offense is practically useless, he has this plus 4 more optionselects, and even if you know he will counter, you still have to make a very hard guess.
    Ahhh yes. I couldn't have said it any better. Offensive pressure doesn't really exist against Conqueror, unless you have a bash and you spam said bash. But let's be honest. That's a really lame way to play, especially when you're forced to.
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    Originally Posted by Nydardoloth Go to original post
    Try ‘expecting’ the zone... lmao, poor muffin can’t see at high level that #itcomesfromtheleft

    It can be blocked, it can be parried, it can be countered, it can be crushed, the Conc doesn’t even move forward so you can just avoid it by not attacking. #lethimwastestamina

    Conc can’t even feint, try that little thing called dodging when he winds up. Maybe a little blocky blocky, a little parry parry, a little crushy crushy. One would think that at high level you would know the basic little game mechanics by now. #justsayin
    If you are an idiot and use it exclusively, sure, not a big deal to beat. I guess that goes for every move in the game.

    However, many good players play Conqueror, and in their hands, their defense is almost unbeatable, because it is one of their many optionselects. On your level, they might suck, but the hero is still too strong.
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    Well... I have problem fighting conq and i hate fighting him for sure but his zone is not problem for me. I mean... It can be easily parried n predicted but the problem is his almost guarantee bash. Sure ya can dodge it but after 100th time its get boring and not fun to play against bash spammers..in my opinion all bashes should be slower and without frame advantage cuz its fck boring...Conq and bp and even warlord have problem with bash. Now get me right... its easy to dodge (well sometimes) but if we add latency....its ultra lose on our side but even if you dodge it will track you down cuz latency.
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    You realize conq cannot feint so really his zone is his only viable defense option. Plus it barely does any damage.
    Can be easily countered by feint or parry if you can read or react. or bash or unblockable

    I think you just need to practice more and you should be fine
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