You're going to have to give a better argument than your rank.Originally Posted by FoxyVi Go to original post
Bashes from neutral are finally unreactable for everyone. So no. and the damage confirmed after bashes is also low. So no.
How the hell did you get this rank if you can't deal with bashes? Literally every viable hero has some kind of bash aside from Berserker, and nobody above Diamond 1 plays unviable ones. I have a hard time believing someone is on grandmaster level who struggles against literally every hero.Originally Posted by FoxyVi Go to original post
Look...i can dodge it and stuff but after 30th time its just borring as hell... dodge dodge dodge dodge... and if we add latency and well faints things go well...bad and when you did a dodge a lat decided to say nope and you get hit. I won many games after ccu but daling with bash spammers its just boring...they will not do any attack just bash spam faints and they are high reps so they know what they are doing. And sadly you can do nothing? Light? Will be blocked...heavy? Blocked..or parried... Sure i can faint it but it will do nothing it will be just blocked. Look...i love playing lawbringer and only thing i can do is dodge my slow bash and do a light but im so bored of this...
Is really hard for me too, no offense foxVI, not saying you are lying but IDK maybe your setup was real fine and the fact LB was S or A+ tier pre ccu were solid reasons.Originally Posted by Goat_of_Vermund Go to original post
I am Diamond 4 with Pk the last time I tried, and I know most of the tricks GM and Masters do, but since I use a char without bashes and severely limited I always even if I lose feel proud of my skill with an underdog...I can do a list of the things making black prior , warden and conq S tiers (but not with the best english like for example raime can) and why with warlord I got to diamond 5 with much less reps, much less effort and much muuuchhh less hours played with him, because he is better overall than her and he has a bash...as Goat said a GM would know all the other masters and GM´s tricks much better than me and every trick for every char so he would not struggle against literally 99% of the player base, but since I don´t main LB I wouldn´t know really how one could get there with him.
Next time I will try with conq I already know why he can reach GM tier need only to practice, but yeh he is not that fun to use or to play against.
I am Diamond 3-4 with pk (5 if I had enough and get out my BP).
Here is a list of characters played by anyone on this level and above:
Warden
Conqueror
Black Prior
LawbringeR
Warmonger
Gladiator
Centurion
Warlord
Highlander
Berserker
Shugoki
Tiandi
Jian Jun
Seeing anything else is quite rare. Almost always a Tiandi, Warden, Warmonger, Black Prior or Conqueror is the opponent. All of them are bash heavy heroes. You had to get through dozens of them to be even close to Grandmaster. So, if you can not deal with bashes, I find it quite questionable that you could hold that title (unless you beat everyone as unranked, then your rank can be registered higher than your actual play skill. Big disadvantage of the Elo system in chess too, I have lost 100 points in one year after I got an absurdly high number at 12, but I could not back it up).
It's mainly black prior that is the problem when it comes to bash spam. Every other bash hero can be punished if you make the correct read. With black prior, even if you make the correct read, his recovery is way too fast that you can't punish him unless you have a dodge attack.
I think black prior's bash needs to be like conqueror's where if the opponent dodges, a GB should be granted.
If you make the right read on BP you still get a GB. It's just not as forgiving of a window as Conq. Try punishing LB's dodge bash with a GB. Bet you can't. Same window as BP's. Yet he recovers with his guard faster letting him be able to parry even the fastest of dodge attacks if the person doing so doesn't do it early enough.Originally Posted by Lord.Warden. Go to original post
The only problem with Bp's bash is that it pauses stamina regen. No bash should be doing that sans Jorm's and cent's special GB punish. As both are specifically designed to harass stamina. Frankly i'm surprised more people don't complain that his flip does stamina damage. As that's actually dumb.