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[Majoridze]

the devs are dumb bastards and they dont know the difference between fun and challenging.....this is only to cater for the super nerds of the game so they keep coming back after getting *** whooped by the 100th floor.......it is what it is, thats how people think and thats how ******* devs make sure people keep playing their stupid old game

[Noxious81]

Mate, seriously.

Using a hole, when monsters are not rushing on you past some point is pure cheese. Most leg content can be cheesed in that way. You just stay in the previous room and safely shoot monsters using scope-shield glitch (another cheese btw)

True – you can cheese like that. And abuse glitches. But you don't need to. That's what my previous posting was about. You can complete any content on any difficulty without being forced to cheese or cheat because it otherwise would be impossible. You can complete any content on any difficulty by just playing the game. By knowing what to do and what builds to create and use. This of course demands learning, trying, failing, learning, testing, trying, and maybe still some more failing. And playing. Over and over again. But it doesn't demand cheesing.

[Licher.Rus]

True – you can cheese like that. And abuse glitches. But you don't need to. That's what my previous posting was about. You can complete any content on any difficulty without being forced to cheese or cheat because it otherwise would be impossible. You can complete any content on any difficulty by just playing the game. By knowing what to do and what builds to create and use. This of course demands learning, trying, failing, learning, testing, trying, and maybe still some more failing. And playing. Over and over again. But it doesn't demand cheesing.

It's not possible to complete Leg missions without cheese now, with pure skill only.

[Noxious81]

It's not possible to complete Leg missions without cheese now, with pure skill only.

It is. It's only a question of how good you are at the game and how well you know how to handle the enemies as well as your builds. And good team members always help a lot. We regularly are playing legendary missions with four or only three agents and we are not even using drone/turret-meta-skillbuilds. We usually use a combination of DDs and supporting builds, damage healer builds or a pretty straight forward CC. Sometimes even PFE-tanks.

All cheese-free and way more fun than with drones and turrets.

[Licher.Rus]

It is. It's only a question of how good you are at the game and how well you know how to handle the enemies as well as your builds. And good team members always help a lot. We regularly are playing legendary missions with four or only three agents and we are not even using drone/turret-meta-skillbuilds. We usually use a combination of DDs and supporting builds, damage healer builds or a pretty straight forward CC. Sometimes even PFE-tanks.

All cheese-free and way more fun than with drones and turrets.

Yeah, sure, foaming enemies at spawn while perfectly know where they spawn is cheese too, sorry.

[Stardust.One]

Honestly I don't care much about the roof. The Summit is poor designed (no offense, Massive), and those are not the same hunters like in the original The Division.

What a pity!

Maybe it's also intended, fight like a bottleneck, because of all those endless complains about the difficulty and the AI, since the release of the game.

[Noxious81]

Yeah, sure, foaming enemies at spawn while perfectly know where they spawn is cheese too, sorry.

So in that case – when are you allowed to either foam or shoot at enemies so that you wouldn't consider this "cheese"?

And in what way is using a skill the intended way "using mechanic holes"?

[N3mB0t]

It's not possible to complete Leg missions without cheese now, with pure skill only.

Yeah, sure, foaming enemies at spawn while perfectly know where they spawn is cheese too, sorry.

knowing where the enemie is coming from and using a game legit skill to stop them and kill them its cheese? using skills is cheese? what isnt cheese? doing 360 no scopes with sniper rifles?

i feel you are playing the wrong game.

[Licher.Rus]

So in that case – when are you allowed to either foam or shoot at enemies so that you wouldn't consider this "cheese"?

And in what way is using a skill the intended way "using mechanic holes"?

No-no-no
You perfectly get what I mean.
I dunno what are you trying to show here.
Using a skill is not a mech hole, OBVIOUSLY.
Enemies spawn ALWAYS at the same spots IS a mech hole.
Just imagine your team, but enemies always spawn at different doors. And not all in one door, but separated by different groups.
Now tell me - where will be your party? Right - at the start of the mission.

[rookie08]

nothing to do with ur topic but can u tell me how much of the game needs to be downloaded before it can be played?