Conqueror is busted in Duels | Forums

[Knight_Raime]

I've never really had a problem with his zone. Even on ccu it's a bait and parry if they over use it. My only issue with conq atm is his superior block on side dodges. It exists through his entire dodge. He already does a bash off of side dodge which is insanely strong to have as a tool. The rest of conq's OS's are fine. The problem is the game doesn't have an input cleaner tool which makes him be able to easily use things like Bash option selects.

Heck people are starting to bind a lot of stuff in the game right now. essentially turning would be unreactable offense into reactable defense. I don't want to mention them but i'm sure anyone can find them if they look. Anyway my point is I think conq's actual tools besides the one is a problem. But because his kit also heavily benefits from key binds he also is unintentionally much safer.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

So, your dumb a$$ is saying that a rep >20 hero should have the exact same skill as a rep 50-60-70??? Your actually comparing someone pushing through the learning curve VS a skilled tactician?

Go get Goat to give your ego another fluff. *facepalm*

He was saying you should not be forced to rep every hero to 50 to understand how to beat them. Not like it is needed for anyone in any hero's case.

And just because you can not understand a text and are exposed as a noob, you don't have to be rude.

[King_of_Xibalba]

ok, ok all have valid points,.

I will not be rude because the last time it was me vs a kid who didn´t know basic things and that degenerate quickly. And also cause I like to be civil,

Conqueror is not great in breach=true.
Conq is very strong in duels and ranked= absolutely yes.
Conq is tier S= probably at least A+ or S- in duels.

Is mostly because if you have some time with him, you will know two basic things (post ccu): pause regeneration is a very strong tool in duels and ranked, and bashes are the meta in grand masters gameplay. >Very much like Black prior.

an example is the utility of the warlord bash vs the black prior bash in a recent attempt to rise myself to master level. A failed attempt.

The master BP tried three basic things: 1.bash spam with his light punish.2.raw/dash GB. 3.unblockable attempt forcing you to react. some lights here and there.Perfect spacing.
Now with such basic movements how can be he a greatmaster or master? simply because he can bash you 100 times and as a warlord you cannot punish him effectively EVEN if you predict the bash. You predict his bash and dodge , attempted GB will fail, most lights will be blocked or parried.Being lights a poor punish if they hit.

You managed to hit him with headbutt granting you a light, this bash only hit his stamina NOT HIS STAMINA REGEN, he responds with another bash if you dodge you cant punish, if you back dodge the next time he will try a gb if you try to predict, if you try to interrupt with lights(remenber you are in frame disadvantage) he is waiting that already, punishing you with a parry or counter crush. all this costs you stamina so if he manages to conect most of his bashes you are done. You will need to resist more bashes, grab attempts, or his undodgeable or 50/50 without stamina and without much posibility to regenarate it while he just can continue to bash you. He is always at advantage no matter if you also have a bash, you hit with your bash, no pause regen, he does, always a pause in your stamina regen will happen. There is a clear difference in the tools effectivity.

Conqueror top notch defense and the posibility of just bash you(which pauses stam regen) or gb you if you try to predict or gain space, like black Prior, is what makes him a Tier S in ranked duels.His option select is very handy if you try to interrupt his opressive pattern.

Just a reminder that Black Prior's neutral bash is 500ms, can't be punished by GB on reaction, can be delayed to catch dodges, deals 20 stamina damage, and confirms a light for 14 damage, and that light also chains into an unblockable.

Meanwhile Jorms neutral bash is 600ms, can't be delayed, and only confirms 30 stamina damage, while also leaving you open for a GB on a miss.

Literally The best stamina bully is someone who isn’t even supposed to be one.

[Okt0g00N]

conc, conq ? never heard of them
all i know is c0ck

[Goat_of_Vermund]

The issue people might have with fighting a Conc is that they don’t really know how to play one, so my suggestion is to put 30-40-50 reps into one in order to figure out your own weaknesses in order to kill the rest of them.

You clearly said it: you suggested that if you struggle with a hero, put 50 reps into it to understand the way beating them. Which is absolutely ridiculous. Next time, try using a lie which is not debunked so easily.

Rep means absolutely nothing in itself. A rep 500 can be Faraam, or can be someone who repped himself on level 1 bots in premades.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

You goof, did you not read any other posts? Some rep 20’s suck, some are good? It’s a broad range that obviously needs to be broken down so that a basic goof like yourself can understand. Ugh, I haaaate breaking things down for morons like you where you even said it yourself. Some people can rep themselves off bots by getting to X rep and still suck, some players take longer than others while some player still learn by doing - others by seeing or having done to them. You need to put in time against players who also play X hero to learn new tricks and combos. Regardless of if you put in 20 reps into X hero ‘were those quality reps or farming?’

Your so hellbent on trying to show the public that I’m wrong about absolutely anything, stop fluffing your friends sack and skipping parts of multiple posts.

Put in the work goof, that could be 20-30-40-50 reps into one hero OR a whole account. Use a specific hero, fight against that specific hero, fight bots of that hero, fight humans of that hero, use different hero’s to fight against that hero.

You elitist goofs annoy the absolute hell out of me, lol. Anyone can say anything from fact of experience and you goofs will tell them it didn’t happen or they are wrong or that they are stupid. Now go gargle another couple million tadpoles and call it a night, you don’t have to reply to everything you don’t agree with.

You do not say facts, you either say bs like the qoute above, act like some arrogant 11 years old, or outright lie, even when there is clear proof you did so. And since public opinion is formed based on these comments, and it is important enough for me, I will obviously call you a liar if you lie. You, in fact, did say you should put 50 reps into a hero to counter it.

Oh, and I skip parts of your posts because there are big parts in it that do not worth any reaction.

So, rep absolutely doesn't indicate how good you are with the hero, especially not in duels. More importantly to the topic, you do not have to have any reps on a hero to know how to counter it- I have like 11 levels on orochi, but I know completely clearly how to kill one and what exactly he is capable of.

Back to the topic: Conqueror has too many defensive options, and his zone is especially safe because it shuts down everything but very fast bashes, feint into counter, and unblockable hyperarmored attacks. Bad ones obviously spam only this and fall, but as a tool, it is still too strong.

[MrBdur]

You goof, did you not read any other posts? Some rep 20’s suck, some are good? It’s a broad range that obviously needs to be broken down so that a basic goof like yourself can understand. Ugh, I haaaate breaking things down for morons like you where you even said it yourself. Some people can rep themselves off bots by getting to X rep and still suck, some players take longer than others while some player still learn by doing - others by seeing or having done to them. You need to put in time against players who also play X hero to learn new tricks and combos. Regardless of if you put in 20 reps into X hero ‘were those quality reps or farming?’

Your so hellbent on trying to show the public that I’m wrong about absolutely anything, stop fluffing your friends sack and skipping parts of multiple posts.

Put in the work goof, that could be 20-30-40-50 reps into one hero OR a whole account. Use a specific hero, fight against that specific hero, fight bots of that hero, fight humans of that hero, use different hero’s to fight against that hero.

You elitist goofs annoy the absolute hell out of me, lol. Anyone can say anything from fact of experience and you goofs will tell them it didn’t happen or they are wrong or that they are stupid. Now go gargle another couple million tadpoles and call it a night, you don’t have to reply to everything you don’t agree with.

You call us bullies yet you literally just toss out insults lol.

My point was never that a rep 20 would be inherently the same skill as a rep 70, just that if you need 20 or 30 or 40 or 50 reps on a hero JUST TO KNOW HOW TO COUNTER THEM, then you are just bad at the game as a whole and should probably practice more before expecting your opinions to matter here in a discussion with players more experienced than yourself.

The way you talk to some people here in the forums would be the equivalent to walking on to a job site with no experience on the job, and walking up to the boss expecting him to listen to your opinions on the job at hand even though he already knows the best course of action, and you do not.