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    TU 11 is bringing a new set and brand, but FB and FI still locked to raid.

    Backs and chests, of course.


    I can already hear some of you groaning and rolling your eyes, but it's a valid point: With the raid no longer being the newest content, and additional gear being released, has locking the chests/backs to the raid served its purpose and should now be released?

    Note that I don't mention the exotics. I don't think that's a fight I can win, and arguably the exotics DO have value to the raids that the sets don't. While the sets arguably have more value to the game as a whole by being more accesible.

    I know this is sort of an old argument to rehash, but I feel the new content and new gear paints things in a new light.

    What do you guys think?

    EDIT: From later in the thread. But I think it sums things up:

    Does the value of added incentive for doing the raid(a single instance of a single niche game mode) benefit the game more than the additional activity that would be generated by players farming the chests and backs in ALL game modes and instances?

    The raid's primary draw is the difficulty and satisfaction of defeating "the hardest content in the game", and the exotics which can't be found anywhere else.

    The rest of set pieces can drop anywhere, except for the half-measure of the chest/back. Making it only a weird halfassed incentive.

    In my mind the benefit of keeping those pieces exclusive doesn't add up to much. And allowing players to get their hands on them before the raid might actually make their builds stronger for when they actually do decide to go for the exotics. The alternative is...what? Some sort of weird consolation prize for raiders that didn't manage to get the exotics to drop?

    Honest question from people who have completed the raid: Are you REALLY going to feel like your accomplishments in the raid are diminished because someone has a set backpack or chest? I could understand about the exotics, even if I don't agree. But the sets? That just doesn't seem to be as important.
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    another thread with you crying about raid exclusives ,how original
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    "Opens bottle of beer and a bag of Popcorn"

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    Originally Posted by Sgt.Danielle Go to original post
    another thread with you crying about raid exclusives ,how original
    No, it ain't about crying, it's about locking gear behind certain activities, which is in contradiction with what was advertised at the game launch. Such as some gear pieces behind DZ's, gear that could, and will, improve the PvE experience for everybody, not just for PvP. Same for gear sets locked behind the Iron Horse raid. I'm not talking about exotic weapons, those should stay there as incentive to run the raid.
    Personally, I don't have a problem with that, I've completed both projects on three characters by now, I've crafted Regulus, I got The Ravenous, I did everything related to raid, some commendations included, and, you know what? None of these are better than what already exist in the game. Or, in other words, the differences are little to none.
    Ironically, the 10-E materials needed for crafting gear set pieces that was initially locked behind the Dark Hours raid are still locked behind that raid, although those gear sets aren't locked behind the raid anymore. If you have to craft an, let's say, Ace & Eights piece you have to go to raid first in order to get those materials. How about that?
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    I'm with you on this one Sircowdog1.

    The devs eventually realised the mistake in locking stuff behind an unpopular activity in Div1, although it took them until the end of the game and the loss of 95% of their player base to realise it. I am sure I read in the promo material for Div2 that lessons had been learnt and they were not planning to repeat that mistake. But here we go again.

    We need a "patch 1.8" for Div2, I am beginning to worry that these devs can't manage it.
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    Originally Posted by Sgt.Danielle Go to original post
    another thread with you crying about raid exclusives ,how original
    Even though your post is needlessly antagonistic, I feel like I should clarify.

    It's not about "crying about raid exclusives" at all. It's about taking a hard look at TU11 not really bringing much to the table, and having a serious conversation about the health of the game.

    In that context: Does keeping the set items really still provide enough incentive to run the raid in an environment where new items and game modes are being made available that aren't all that deep? And does that value outweigh the potential activity releasing those backs and chests to the general pool to be used in the new content?

    You'll note that I didn't go after the exotics, since I've started to grudgingly accept that there might be value in leaving them as rewards for the raid. But I don't think that really applies to the set pieces.

    So do you want to have a civil conversation, or would you like to drag it down with needless hostility?
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    Originally Posted by Sircowdog1 Go to original post
    Backs and chests, of course.


    I can already hear some of you groaning and rolling your eyes, but it's a valid point: With the raid no longer being the newest content, and additional gear being released, has locking the chests/backs to the raid served its purpose and should now be released?

    Note that I don't mention the exotics. I don't think that's a fight I can win, and arguably the exotics DO have value to the raids that the sets don't. While the sets arguably have more value to the game as a whole by being more accesible.

    I know this is sort of an old argument to rehash, but I feel the new content and new gear paints things in a new light.

    What do you guys think?
    someone has been watching to many epic slayer video's... This basicly is the carbon copy of what he said.
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    While I do agree that items shouldn't be locked behind content, for the reason of doing said content, & that everything should be done because it's FUN (something that Ubisoft forgot) it's actually way too soon to expect this.

    I would've given it by the end of this year. By then I expect them to move them into the general loot pool.
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    Originally Posted by ShadowRavenXI Go to original post
    someone has been watching to many epic slayer video's... This basicly is the carbon copy of what he said.
    I don't follow him, tbh. But if you've been around the forums a bit, you'll see that this isn't a new topic. Not for the forums, and not for me personally. I've been a pretty strong opponent of item exclusivity in any area of the game.

    But the points are fairly self-evident if you spend even a little bit of time thinking about the state of the game over the past few months. Loot has been a pivotal point for awhile. The new game mode(Summit) is being heavily criticized on the PTS. In light of that, that means that the new set, brand, and exotics become the real focus of TU11. And it would also be an additional boost to the activity of the patch if the backs and chests of the older sets was released into the pool in order to boost things further. Lock it to the final 10 floors or something to make the raiders feel less like their achievements are being diminished...or whatever.

    But if there's a convincing reason to keep those chests and backs in the raid, I'd love to hear it. I'm going to try and poke holes in any reasoning, but if there's something convincing enough, I'm willing to hear it.
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