Hello,
I have a problem with Warmonger combo - unblockable + free hit. The block does not work, side dodge also and even roll back because she catch you while spamming it all around.
Match before fight against 3x Warmonger, match now against 4x Warmonger ....... only internet disconnection working right now.
Any idea how to win against her?
it's actually not that difficult. She has quite high recoveries on all her moves if I recall correctly after the whiffs. So bottom line is: make her whiff and make a good read. She is very similar to warden and therefore some methods can be easily derived from dealing with those.
I am not sure exactly what you are talking about as you are quite vague with your description but I am assuming with unblockable you mean her bash attack and not her side dodge unblockable which does not have a guaranteed followup unlike the bash.
so for the bash the same rules apply as against warden: Make a read!
does she want to let it go directly and go for the light follow up -> dodge the bash and punish her with a gb.
does she want to charge it for a wallsplat/heavy follow up -> you need to wait and dodge then and punish her with a gb.
if you see the charge animation and you preamtively dodge to avoid the short version -> go for the roll immediately and you should escape all of those together
If my opponents knows I take a good guess what comes and dodge it they should transfer to cancel to GB in that case the safest option is to light attack right away once you see orange. If you are wrong you will eat a light sure, but you eliminate 3 options: short charge in to gb, long charge into GB and also long charge as the hyper armor comes a bit later and hence the charging can be interrupted.
simple as that. You can also try to avoid her using her bash by putting pressure on her yourself with your offense. Wormonger excels if you go on your defense and let her in the drive seat. Don't let her take over even if it means that you need to trade. Try to dictate the pace of the fight and get her in position in which she has to do what you are expecting her to do.
Also make sure you go to practice mode and learn how her chains exactly work and when she can actually follow up with a bash. Just pick her there and get familiar with the possibilities.
I mean unblockable charge with free heavy follow ... you can not dodge it like you sad. Even when you dodge, she hits you. I tryed it many times! Only what I can do is roll away and run and hope the player will not follow me.
If the Warmonger is newbie, I can defeat her, but mostly this unblockable free hit spam is impossible to survive. While she hits you with the grap, you just take damage because your recovery time is high as her following unblockable attack.
you can easily dodge the fully charged bash. It is quite forgiving. You cannot dodge the free heavy follow up as it is free. Get into practice mode until you get it. Also keep in mind the charged version is more likely to be used in 4v4s by second attackers as it immobilises you and you have to observe it patiently to actually avoid it while the short version just fills the revenge bar quickly for only a light. So against multiple warmongers, better dodge late.Originally Posted by HiTeHa Go to original post
I tryed to dodge it. Without a chance - maybe with assassin-like Hero you can but not with Shugoki. Of course it depends if the Warmonger player knows about this ability. It is like Highlander - his top feint side attack immediatelly followed by kick. That kick is so fast and with HY so GB or attack do not help you. But only a few Highlanders use this combo - maybe they are not aware of it.
If she goes for a side dodge unblockable, throw a light instantly. She has no iframes, it will hit her. She may be able to block it in time if she feint, but not in time for parry (at least if you throw the light instantly). You may also throw a random heavy and trade with her if you choose that, though she can parry and feint that. Also, you can quite safely zone optionselect parry this move, it is only dangerous when you are ganked, or out of stamina (though in Shugoki's case if you have the very fair rocksteady feat unlocked, it's not even that dangerous).
If you are referring to the bash, then you have to guess if it is a level 1, 2 or 3 bash. You can dodge very early and be able to block both the level 1 and 3 at the same timing. You can also just guess what timing it is and dodge it for a guardbreak. If you want to practice the timing, go for training mode with a Warmonger spamming only this attack.
Why? If you dodge on the right timing, it will miss, it is not even as hard to react to as Black Prior or Warlord bash. Treat it exactly as you would Centurion, Hitokiri or Warden bash, and you will be as fine as one can be.Originally Posted by HiTeHa Go to original post