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I´m sorry but this is the true point of view about CCU from a GM returning from PC to console.
PC ccu is somewhat good
Console CCU hell, tiring, a little lame at very high levels.
He as me continues to win but the feeling after matches is exhausting and dull.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5LtLLX8ajg
edited: There are some things I don´t fully agree , but what he said about ranked in console, no brain combat in console and the damage values non sense yes I agree.
I think the exhaustion is because some competitive players try to defend ourselves as pre ccu, the focus needed now in console to do a decent defense is greater, the strain on my eyes (try to not blink to catch that light) is higher too.
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I couldn't do more than 7 minutes of that video. The amount of misinformation was too much for me to stomach.
From what I hear he didn't even play that much to gather that footage for his video. Also had the balls to call Freeze out.
I could keep going but suffice to say the video hard panders to everyone who's refusing to adapt to the new way the game plays.
Straight up saying false statements like "the skill of reads is gone" and calling it "unfair" for "unskilled" players to beat grandmasters.
Man puts far too much weight on ranking which again is just pandering to people who are ignorant.
Personally I find the footage itself to be rather painful as he's not using any of the tools you're supposed to in order to combat someone who's just mashing. Really discredits his opinion more for me. Which is odd considering he's not an ignorant individual to mechanics of the game.
It's just yet another individual echoing the statement about not liking that worse people can beat them. Welcome to playing a fighting game. If you die to cheese then you get better. If you can't adapt then you're not as good as you think you are.
I've got way more experience than him on xbox both before and after the CCU. He obviously beats me on PC experience as i've only been there a couple months. But it's amusing to see console players champion the video despite this yet they will readily ignore the opinion of any other pc player even if they go and play a bit of it. Anyway enough ragging on about how dumb this whole situation is.
In my opinion Console was not ruined in general by the CCU. The only people who've the right to claim their experience has been ruined are people who's regular setup is on a tv with wireless connection. If you play console with even a 60hz monitor like myself the experience is drastically better. And having a wired connection only helps more. Then again this isn't new. The console "experience" has always varied wildly. The CCU didn't introduce this. It just gave whiners a chance to cry again.
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To Knight Raime...
I completely disagree with yoir points about the CCU on console. I shouldnt have to buy a small computer monitor to enjoy a PS4 game. I have a 72" LED tv that gives me a glorious picture & immersive experience with every other game i play. The CCU update has some seriously messed up animations. Like why the hell do all chars turn white & disappear when side dashing now? WTF is the point of having that in the CCU? It makes no sense.
The game on console feels clunky & unlike the enjoyable combat system from the original game. Im rep 497 total with almost 190 days total on strictly PS4. I have been playing since open beta.
CCU has ruined the game. They took EVERY incentive to throw out heavies as they nerf heavy damage into the ground so now all anyone does is light atk until its a gank & they can let heavies fly while you are animation locked & unable to literally do anything. I personally hate the CCU & wish they would revert back to the old system prepatch. I dont mind the standardized hiding of the first 100ms of guard direction indication either, that doesnt bother me. The rest of the crap in the patch does. It makes no sense to me. Theres no reason to pick any other char except heavies, Warmonger, Highlander, LB, Raider or Kensei. Assassins, most hybrids & most vanguards are noticeably under powered in the current state of the game.
Choosing any of these chars means you are at an instant disadvantage. Its trash but thats just my opinion [and everyone ive ever heard or see talk about the CCU]. If you like the CCU now, after you made your thread about quitting cuz of it, then you are the only one i know of that feels positively about it. Not judging you cuz you can like whatever you want; i just feel you are the outlier here.
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Originally Posted by MrGrippz Go to original post
Considering i've discussed this video across multiple sites and talked to both strangers and friends alike I know i'm not the outlier here. I don't care to argue specfics about which characters and their viability or not. That would draw out this reply far longer than i'm sure either of us would care to discuss. Just know that I disagree. And if anything actually discouraged players from picking other heros IMO it would be perks as heavies get all the good ones. But that's not a problem introduced with CCU so that's really neither here nor there.
In a perfect world you could bling out your gaming setup with the biggest tv with the highest fedelity in visuals that money can buy you and you'd have a great time. Unfortunately that's never the case with both fighting games and FPS games. If you seriously care to have a good experience in either you prioritize refresh rate and lowering your input delay as much as possible. The goal in mind to have as many frames as you possibly can manage with little input delay as possible.
You're playing on the ps4 with a tv and I assume wireless connection for internet. Your experience has already been the lowest it possibly can be with FH long before the CCU rolled around. I feel for you. At the same time the developers cannot balance the game around different setups let alone connections. It sucks and I understand that. However, i'm not arguing against the idea that the game is ruined for some people.
My stance is that the CCU has not ruined console in as broad of meaning as I can possibly state. I acknowledge the game isn't good for certain setups anymore. I will not acknowledge that 2/3'ds of the population has an empirically unplayable version of the game now. Not only does that go against my own experiences and many others i've discussed this with. But it's just a hyperbolic statement in it of itself.
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If the game sucks on console than why bother wasting money to make
it enjoyable just saying. It was more enjoyable when it was pre ccu
because at least my crap setup could see animations ccu just made it worse.
There is better games out there warframe can hold 30 to 60 frames and has
pretty good combat farming needs work tho graphics are gorgeous and
it's enjoyable that game is worthy of a better setup.
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Raime, he has some points that I don´t agree, for example when he said that is better to pander to casuals (a strong no for me), also when he said reads are not needed, THEY ARE NEEDED, I agree with you, but also some other points at least in my experience of more than 2 years of console are spot on, right now in ranked is how he says among other issues, he is very good with pk thts the reason I suscribed almost a year ago.Originally Posted by Knight_Raime Go to original post
For the matter , I play with ethernet,wired control, and a 50 inches 60 hz capable tv. I think also that whining is aplicabble to those that don´t know the mechanics very well( and thy dont´care) or dont try to better themselves ( and want evrything catered to them) or those also who justify every decision devs do (I mean those who whine/cry about others with fair/good points that affecting their mains, the game etc) when they feel is convenient only to their experience , I´m not any of this kind of player man, I am one of the first to accept nerfs or changes in the mechanics of my mains or the game in general, but just to clarify, I win most of my actual matches, is just the sensation of tiredness after, some chars feels off also at least for me, some matches feel dull more because players only do lights(they think is free damage) expecting to win...maybe if devs could do a separate treatment for pc and console this would be resolved...but I know is a dream.
Also you have a point about the setups, sadly this is an issue among console playerbase, the biggest of the two platforms, many cry about things that can be resolved with wired conections.Now for the monitor is more complicated for many to spend on such things.
I can say that I respect the preferences of others on the matter, but for me the fun part is decreased after this update, saying this I think devs can and will resolve most of the issues,I really hope this.Other theories say they are preparing for honor for the next gen consoles, so 60 fps and less input delay will be the new standar, for this reason they will not do a separate treatment. I understand why devs needed to change some mechanics, I truly do and I agree, but the execution is another thing.
sorry for the bad english.
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well is not garbage, but some things he said are not well explained or too much emotional/not really analitic.Originally Posted by garr1999 Go to original post
Compared to freeze love for detail and minutiae, well, all FH youtubers are garbage in that department.
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As i've probably mentioned before rank doesn't particularly matter to me. Ranked has always consisted of people cheesing in order to make it to the top. So yeah it's not really surprising that diamonds and grandmasters are playing the same way. I don't see how that's relevant though. That would be like me saying Warden and BP were problems that needed to be changed because that's all people see at a certain point with ranked.Originally Posted by PapillonFlota Go to original post
At the end of the day it's duels. Duels are highly influenced by hero pick and your reflexes. I don't see how mentioning ranked in anyway has any baring on balance discussions.
I can sympathize with your feelings some what. Closing out a duel because I managed to toss a light to finish someone off that can't block it doesn't feel good. Nor does having to parry Kensei everytime they dodge attack on red. However I can say that about pre CCU as well. It wasn't fun to win a duel simply because the person I fought tried to use a light one too many times and I reaction parried it. It wasn't fun to have a feint mix up end up putting me out of stamina because the heavy got parried. Both states of the game have flaws and only a fool would try to argue that one or the other was completely fine regardless of platform.
For me the major contributing factor for non fun right now is the time to kill. And I think it's also impacting the gameplay with others but they're simply not aware. It makes sense to me at least that if people were not dying as fast people would have a better chance to make a come back. Meaning eating a few hits wouldn't really be as upsetting as they are now because it wouldn't mean you'll die. This is part of what made TG week 2 so good.
And I want to restate again that i'm not trying to tell someone else how to feel. If someone feels the game is no longer fun for them that's perfectly fine. While I can't relate I understand why someone would enjoy reactionary gameplay. My issue is videos like that one are making sweeping blanket statements on the state of console as a whole. Which do not align with my experience/feelings nor others that i've discussed this with. Again, I can agree that for certain people that the game is worse for them now. But I can't agree that applies to 2 entire platform's experiences.
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I understand your take fully. My connection is fine i have LAN connected gig speed fiber optics. Wireless controller about 13 feet from tv sucks though but big house makes these problems lol. Woulda been more effective in my small living room at my old apt with ps4 close enough to plug in controller directly, but i digress.Originally Posted by Knight_Raime Go to original post
Highlander is faster than Orochi with hyper armor on his 2nd light. Theres plenty of these type of illogical changes that ruined the game for me.
They can easily tweak things, standardize different attack speeds & dmgs, but they gotta be careful not to take away the chars unique styles further than they have; classes are pointless. Doesnt matter much what class of hero your char is [except squishy assassins] cuz they all pretty much play the same, with hyper armor heavy chars having a clear advantage for the last year.
