Here are the winners; loosers & neutral ones after the CCU | Forums

[RAGEQUIT U JOKE]

You definitely mistyped your list

WInner:
Warmonger

Loosers:Shoguki
Nobushi
Zahnhu
Kensei
Jormungandr
Highlander
Berserker
OrochiWarlord
Gladiator
Warden
Jiang Jun
Aramusha
Shinobi
Conquer
ShamanBlack Prior
Lawbringer
Centurion
Raider
Valk
Hitokiri
Nuxia
Tiandi
Peacekeepe

[GayForShugoki]

she can do her bash without the light conecting, I main her too, I mean I do a whiff followed by a bash to catch some desperate people . Or maybe you are talking in the case she just throw a light(blocked, dodged or not) with that intention? to doing a bash?...she in fact can do her bash without the light hitting. Maybe you are refering to the end of the light animation?

While your solution is viable it is not against every warmonger, namely the heavy feinters out there, I normally don´t do the two times light from the same direction because against good players is a free parry, I do a lot of feinting with another heavies or lights, and of course gbs, your solution may be countered with canceled bash and a Gb. Obviously not the charged one, the faster one.Also I can catch warmongers that do your alternatives with a chained heavy or to others depending of the char doing the dodge attack, obviously if they are expecting a bash. I remember I destroyed a orochi and a pk, cancelling my bash and parrying their dodge attacks or doing Gbs that catched them before they can start the dodge.

but is viable against not so variable people, that only do the two lights followed by the bash, expecting to do the third light. it works against lightspamers or people that dont vary much their patterns, Which is the majority now.

In another topic , she looks so cool with the new green material...oh also I forgot to say, maaaybeee nuxia is a winner, unless of course they nerf her in the next patch, I hope not.

Yes, that's why you dash attack it as it will dodge the light and interupt her bash. She can't bash if she's hit. We're talking solely about light bashes here, not anything else. Yes, she can dash and then slap, but a dash attack also counters that.

My solution wasnt to beat her entirely, it was to beat what Canadian was crying about. A good Warmonger will counter your dash spam, but msot Warmongers aren't good and, as you said, just do the same thing over and over. Hell, everyone is now.

[EvoX.]

Centurion got buffed.

How? He's one of the very few heroes that gained little to nothing from CCU since he was already unreactable. On top of this, his mixup is now extremely stamina consuming - combined with the low damage lights, a full stamina bar worth of level 1 Jabs is equal to just 60 damage. You can't blow people up anymore with a series of correct reads, you will always have to stop and let them have their turn. I really dislike how his momentum was severely halted with the patch that was supposed to do the opposite, made him way less pleasant to play.

[Knight_Raime]

How? He's one of the very few heroes that gained little to nothing from CCU since he was already unreactable. On top of this, his mixup is now extremely stamina consuming - combined with the low damage lights, a full stamina bar worth of level 1 Jabs is equal to just 60 damage. You can't blow people up anymore with a series of correct reads, you will always have to stop and let them have their turn. I really dislike how his momentum was severely halted with the patch that was supposed to do the opposite, made him way less pleasant to play.

Damage buffs to his heavies/pin. Kick is safer since it's harder to react to in combination with how busted feinting a heavy out of it is.
Easier to land pins because people are bad at reacting to external things due to the 100ms shaving of indicators and animations. Meaning landing his 100-0 ganks are even easier now.

Basically no one major thing. Just because the state of the game made his good tools better and he also got more damage.

[EvoX.]

The +1 and +2 on his heavies' damage is more than made up for by the lights nerf, which is what he lands most of the time due to Jab. His pin has not been buffed, it's 30 damage as usual. Fully delayed kick was already unreactable prior to the patch for everyone but like 15 players, feinting the heavy isn't busted in the slightest, most dodge attacks still land even if you buffer the input. I have no clue how you think anyone in the game has trouble reacting to his 966ms pin, ganks with him are the same.

He definitely got weaker.

[Knight_Raime]

The +1 and +2 on his heavies' damage is more than made up for by the lights nerf, which is what he lands most of the time due to Jab. His pin has not been buffed, it's 30 damage as usual. Fully delayed kick was already unreactable prior to the patch for everyone but like 15 players, feinting the heavy isn't busted in the slightest, most dodge attacks still land even if you buffer the input. I have no clue how you think anyone in the game has trouble reacting to his 966ms pin, ganks with him are the same.

He definitely got weaker.

Sorry when I said pin I meant pounce.

In regards to the ganks it's because general defense became harder. They're not reacting to Cent they're trying to defend against the gank partner who's setting up for Cent.
The idea i'm pushing is that weaker defense=stronger Cent. Far as the kick goes that's splitting hairs. Not everyone is capable of last frame delaying consistently. His kick is more unreactable for more people now regardless of his input. Which is a buff.
The only nerf he received in my opinion (aside from outlying damage values that shouldnt've existed) is to his zone.


For the most part if you were a strong hero before you're stronger now. By how much is debatable.

[EvoX.]

Sorry when I said pin I meant pounce.

In regards to the ganks it's because general defense became harder. They're not reacting to Cent they're trying to defend against the gank partner who's setting up for Cent.
The idea i'm pushing is that weaker defense=stronger Cent. Far as the kick goes that's splitting hairs. Not everyone is capable of last frame delaying consistently. His kick is more unreactable for more people now regardless of his input. Which is a buff.
The only nerf he received in my opinion (aside from outlying damage values that shouldnt've existed) is to his zone.


For the most part if you were a strong hero before you're stronger now. By how much is debatable.

Definite nerf after this patch. 30 damage Eagle's Talons? What a joke.

[Knight_Raime]

Definite nerf after this patch. 30 damage Eagle's Talons? What a joke.

35 because haymaker. Which is the same damage as Shaman's bite. Jorm is the odd ball out here and went from 40 to 38.

Personally I don't think anyone should be hitting above 30 damage with any one punish sans max punishes.

But I can admit that it will take longer to kill people compared to others with centurion now which is a nerf.

Wether or not Cent should be buffed or others should be brought closer to him is a different discussion but personally I am not bothered by the changes.