Here are the winners; loosers & neutral ones after the CCU | Forums

[Creed3098]

Orochi a winner, and warden a loser ?? we playing the same game ?

[King_of_Xibalba]

Pk is almost unusable. Only if you are many times ahead of your oponents, maybe you could have fun. Lol even officers at breach are more dangerous than her,she spend ages to kill them and the minions.

orochi is using as always ,lights as main source of dmage with the ocasional unblockable, I would say he is a loser or neutral.

shinobi is a loser, the most loser by one tier compared to pk.
Aramusha is a loser on pc, slightly less loser on console.
I would say conq is a loser but I´m just rep 1 with him, he has a decent defense but a poor ofense now.

shugo, kensei and highlander are winners, being HL the most affected in his winning.

warmonger is winning more becauseof her feats. Her time of frame disadvantage is shorter too.
In general assasins are losers except shaman (winner)and after the patch probably zerk . Glad is neutral.
the others that I didn´t mention except for assassins, are more or less neutral.

[GayForShugoki]

Why is Warmonger in winners when she's heavy attack based and doesn't benefit from light spamming?

[Qoissant]

Shugoki I agree.
Nobushi if on console I agree.
Zhanhu big agree.
Kensei undecided.
Jorm undecided.
Highlander agree if on console.
Zerker I disagree if on pc but might change with the stamina update on the 27th.
Orochi I disagree even if on console.

Warlord I disagree.
Glad I disagree.
Warden is neutral.
JJ I disagree.
Aramusha big agree even if on console.
Shinobi is neutral.
Conq I hard disagree.
Shaman I hard disagree.

BP got buffed.
LB is neutral if on pc.
Centurion got buffed.
Raider good on console. neutral on pc.
Valk got buffed.
Hitokiri im undecided.
Nuxia got a phat buff.
Tiandi got a phat buff.
PK is a big loser. Only slightly less worse than orochi and Aramusha.

Shugoki is an monster right now with how his 1 light wonder chain that has HA. I think he is my least favourite to play against alongside monger because of her feats

[Qoissant]

Why is Warmonger in winners when she's heavy attack based and doesn't benefit from light spamming?

You can light spam bash spam with her pretty well because she doesn't follow the light finisher ruiles so she has constant frame advantage or at least she is not disadvantaged at all.

Throw her feats in and shes probably the strongest character in the game right now.

[GayForShugoki]

You can light spam bash spam with her pretty well because she doesn't follow the light finisher ruiles so she has constant frame advantage or at least she is not disadvantaged at all.

Throw her feats in and shes probably the strongest character in the game right now.

No, no. No, she isn’t. Number wise, she’s probably hovering around C tier or edging B tier. Her feats are the only thing that make her ‘strong’ and playing around them makes her useless. After playing her beyond rep 5, I have figured out how to counter her entirely. She’s nothing once you know how she works.

Unlike Warden, she lacks safety on her bash. Her Light > Light > Bash > Light combo is around 30 damage, uses more than half her stamina, and can be interrupted. Because of her enhanced lights, 9/10 her second light will come from the same direction, which is an easy parry. Block the first, parry the second. If she Light > Bash, then dash attack her as it will interrupt the bash.

It hardly matters that she doesn’t follow light finish rules when four lights send her out of stamina and do less damage than a single heavy. People trying to act like her kit is actually a threat right now.

Just dodge attack her slap and you win. The instant she starts to throw it out, dodge attack.

[Qoissant]

No, no. No, she isn’t. Number wise, she’s probably hovering around C tier or edging B tier. Her feats are the only thing that make her ‘strong’ and playing around them makes her useless. After playing her beyond rep 5, I have figured out how to counter her entirely. She’s nothing once you know how she works.

Unlike Warden, she lacks safety on her bash. Her Light > Light > Bash > Light combo is around 30 damage, uses more than half her stamina, and can be interrupted. Because of her enhanced lights, 9/10 her second light will come from the same direction, which is an easy parry. Block the first, parry the second. If she Light > Bash, then dash attack her as it will interrupt the bash.

It hardly matters that she doesn’t follow light finish rules when four lights send her out of stamina and do less damage than a single heavy. People trying to act like her kit is actually a threat right now.

Just dodge attack her slap and you win. The instant she starts to throw it out, dodge attack.

You can't just dodge because she can throw another light, bash or guard break you. It isn't that simple to get out of her mixup. You are right with here having 0 safety on her bash because the GB vulnerability is insanely long. Same with her dodge heavy.

[GayForShugoki]

You can't just dodge because she can throw another light, bash or guard break you. It isn't that simple to get out of her mixup. You are right with here having 0 safety on her bash because the GB vulnerability is insanely long. Same with her dodge heavy.

Read what I said. I am trying to educate you.

BLOCK the first light and then parry the second.

OR

Block both and then dash attack the second.

OR

Just dash attack her light as she cant bash until it hits. If it doesn't hit, she can't bash.

She only has a two-light chain that can go to three with a bash, which you dodge attack.

[Knight_Raime]

You can light spam bash spam with her pretty well because she doesn't follow the light finisher ruiles so she has constant frame advantage or at least she is not disadvantaged at all.

Throw her feats in and shes probably the strongest character in the game right now.

Correction she does. Her light after a bash is not considered a chain finisher by the game and this is easily confirmable via checking the damage log. If you just end her combo with a light she doesn't have frame advantage.

[King_of_Xibalba]

Read what I said. I am trying to educate you.

BLOCK the first light and then parry the second.

OR

Block both and then dash attack the second.

OR

Just dash attack her light as she cant bash until it hits. If it doesn't hit, she can't bash.

She only has a two-light chain that can go to three with a bash, which you dodge attack.

she can do her bash without the light conecting, I main her too, I mean I do a whiff followed by a bash to catch some desperate people . Or maybe you are talking in the case she just throw a light(blocked, dodged or not) with that intention? to doing a bash?...she in fact can do her bash without the light hitting. Maybe you are refering to the end of the light animation?

While your solution is viable it is not against every warmonger, namely the heavy feinters out there, I normally don´t do the two times light from the same direction because against good players is a free parry, I do a lot of feinting with another heavies or lights, and of course gbs, your solution may be countered with canceled bash and a Gb. Obviously not the charged one, the faster one.Also I can catch warmongers that do your alternatives with a chained heavy or to others depending of the char doing the dodge attack, obviously if they are expecting a bash. I remember I destroyed a orochi and a pk, cancelling my bash and parrying their dodge attacks or doing Gbs that catched them before they can start the dodge.

but is viable against not so variable people, that only do the two lights followed by the bash, expecting to do the third light. it works against lightspamers or people that dont vary much their patterns, Which is the majority now.

In another topic , she looks so cool with the new green material...oh also I forgot to say, maaaybeee nuxia is a winner, unless of course they nerf her in the next patch, I hope not.