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    Originally Posted by XX-Artorias-XX Go to original post
    So, give an idea.
    Oh, you mean like I did 2 pages ago when I said:

    "Solo legendary? Reach level 40 in hardcore mode? Beat all the missions in time-trial mode with super low times?"


    Originally Posted by XX-Artorias-XX Go to original post
    The challenge of raid Is the coordination, the work in group.


    There never be a solo activity that can be challenging like raid, because alone you could not activated and solve different puzzle in the same time.

    Only DIFFICULT can be a legendary enemy ,but Is not the same,Is only a Mission with hard enemy.
    And yet the thing you have to remember is that while it's true that the challenge comes from the coordination, each individual player is only doing part of the work. A solo player doesn't need to overcome the same thing that all 8 players combined do. They would only need to overcome the same level, or magnitude of challenge, that a single individual in a raid team does. And perhaps with a little extra to make up for the coordination which is missing from a smaller group.

    The exact same type of challenge doesn't need to be perfectly re-created. That's impossible for a solo player since they can't be in more than one place at a time. However, as long as the difficulty is somewhere around the same magnitude, that SHOULD be adequate to stop childish raiders from claiming that their accomplishments are being diminished.

    Unless you'd like to argue that soloing a legendary is less difficult than what a single person on a team overcomes in a raid? Or that super-low times for speed-runs don't take weeks of gearing and practice just like a raid player has to do? Or perhaps something a little more reasonable, such as defeating all missions on heroic with all 5 directives? I suggested in the DZ thread that maybe a player would need to be max DZ level, and defeat many other max DZ agents. Or perhaps survive several manhunts for extended periods of time.

    I'm sure there are lots of other ways for a solo player to reach similar levels of difficulty. And lets not forget that the flip side of this is that raids would also gain the chance to drop DZ exclusive items in order to be fair.
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    Originally Posted by INV_DALERIUM Go to original post
    What i see here in 1,5 years is
    Most of the solo players are selfish here, you are not interested at all that at this point others are playing the Raid to get EB, or what about those who already have EB - will you tell them your efforts are ussles , because we have it anyway ?? you do not listen to the arguments of others here, even though they are constructive, you only see that "you" have, and under "your" style of play, and it doesn't work that way - thats why massvie not add this GUN peroid
    Do you even read the things you write? You DO realize that everything you just said could equally applies to raiders? That they're being selfish and you're telling solo players that their efforts are useless as well?
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    You want EB ravenous regulus ??? Go RAID !! We gave a lot of time into the game just to use the mechanics and adapt on builds and not only dps builds like most solo players wanna play!! Also we learned how to do stuff when someone from the team is not available to do so!! I even killed morozova alone !! Well morozova is last boss oh IH probably you solo players don’t know her ! Well either way you keep crying or you make 3 posts who will ask players on each platform to carry you !! Wait I said carry ?? Damn if they will carry you like you are 1 lvl! Cause guess what you never played and worked for those mechanics on the raids!! Wow aion lineage etc all of them have exclusives why players there don’t cry and they actually try to get on a clan for successfully ending those missions/dungeons/raids!!! You guys are ridiculous!! Wake up and go actually play the game stop crying on the forum for get items that the rest of us worked hard
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    Originally Posted by dagrommit Go to original post
    Not sure why you felt posting a huge screencap of a incomplete quote supports your point - the actual interview was linked from there. All you had to do was read it.
    The screen cap was from my phone. I have no idea why it posted so huge.

    But I didn't include the cap as support for my point. I did it to show how I misunderstood, and admitted that I didn't have the full quote. It's called "holding myself accountable and admitting mistakes".




    Originally Posted by dagrommit Go to original post
    So the game is never allowed to try new things, or include anything not in the first game? Because that's effectively what you're arguing for. How well those changes worked out is certainly debatable, but beyond the scope of this thread.
    That's not at all what I'm arguing for, and I'll appreciate it if you don't twist my meaning or misrepresent my CLEARLY STATED arguments.

    Do not put words in my mouth and I'll afford you the same respect. As I said, PLEASE consider and read carefully before responding.


    Originally Posted by dagrommit Go to original post
    Yes you absolutely did - by claiming solo players were lied to, and making demands that they be able to access all content.
    I didn't not argue for access to all content. I argued in favor of exclusive items having more than a single route to unlock, as long as those routes are more or less equal in challenge/difficulty. I made that point in several different ways, and the fact that one of those arguments was admittedly based on my own mistaken understanding of the article does not in any way invalidate the other points....which you seem to be intent on ignoring.



    Originally Posted by dagrommit Go to original post
    I am only responding to your claim that people were promised the ability to play everything solo. Your own "source" demonstrates otherwise. If you want to propose an activity as challenging as coordiating eight different people with different builds and skill levels, have at it.
    This was already addressed and I admitted that I didn't have the full quote. Why are you belaboring this point instead of addressing the rest of the arguments that were made?

    What you're doing is fixating on a single mistaken quote which I already admitted that I was wrong about. If you don't have anything further to argue, or wish to discuss any of the other points I made, then please say so. In which case I can move on to having a more reasonable discussion with other posters since you have nothing further to add to the discussion.
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    Originally Posted by nuxbag Go to original post
    @Sircowdog1
    So this is the way I see it, being an elite player has nothing to do with it if people feel that way so what. but if you were to get your way then everybody that put the time, the effort, that stuck it out in bad groups, would get the short end of the stick.
    How so? One player sticks it out in "bad groups". Another player sticks it and practices and puts in the same amount of time and failures. They both eventually overcome a similar level of difficulty and challenge and get rewarded for it. Why is one player treated as more special than the other?

    Originally Posted by nuxbag Go to original post
    And that's why people saying keep it behind the raid. I know some people that did a hundred plus runs and still don't have it. At the end of the day you're still proposing content that somebody somewhere is going to say they can't do for whatever reason.
    The specific point is not to allow easy access, or access that's available to everyone. The point is to change the barrier to entry from "Gather 8 people and complete some very difficulty challenges" to just "complete some very difficult challenges".

    I'm not arguing in favor of everyone just getting free stuff. I'm simply arguing that no matter what arena you decide to put your effort and skill into, that overcoming that high bar of difficulty be the deciding factor.
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    Sircowdog1 instead of putting all this effort to write in forum cry whining and thinking ways for solo players to get same difficulty get your self into the raid and play the content massive gave you !! Enough with the cry!! Find a team, stop refusing to play on team, on a multiplayer game!
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    Originally Posted by Sircowdog1 Go to original post
    Oh, you mean like I did 2 pages ago when I said:

    "Solo legendary? Reach level 40 in hardcore mode? Beat all the missions in time-trial mode with super low times?"




    And yet the thing you have to remember is that while it's true that the challenge comes from the coordination, each individual player is only doing part of the work. A solo player doesn't need to overcome the same thing that all 8 players combined do. They would only need to overcome the same level, or magnitude of challenge, that a single individual in a raid team does. And perhaps with a little extra to make up for the coordination which is missing from a smaller group.

    The exact same type of challenge doesn't need to be perfectly re-created. That's impossible for a solo player since they can't be in more than one place at a time. However, as long as the difficulty is somewhere around the same magnitude, that SHOULD be adequate to stop childish raiders from claiming that their accomplishments are being diminished.

    Unless you'd like to argue that soloing a legendary is less difficult than what a single person on a team overcomes in a raid? Or that super-low times for speed-runs don't take weeks of gearing and practice just like a raid player has to do? Or perhaps something a little more reasonable, such as defeating all missions on heroic with all 5 directives? I suggested in the DZ thread that maybe a player would need to be max DZ level, and defeat many other max DZ agents. Or perhaps survive several manhunts for extended periods of time.

    I'm sure there are lots of other ways for a solo player to reach similar levels of difficulty. And lets not forget that the flip side of this is that raids would also gain the chance to drop DZ exclusive items in order to be fair.
    Do you really think that people Will not ask for a lesser challenge for EB if they put in legendary Mission?
    How many player can do legendary solo?
    So we Will read about"it's a Wall for solo casual, put EB in heroic Mission" ecc ecc

    Because if you put in legendary with 4 people, adios challenge, and raid become useless.

    Or, EB could have 1% drop in legendary and 10% Raid.

    Or thay can create a legendary Mission with rogue agents instead of npc, with 3% drop of EB chance.

    This could be a good pve challenge 🙂

    But time trial Is not a true challenge If played under heroic, because you Just to make DSP and go Easy.

    Only some activity in legendary with rogue can be a solution 🙄
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    So you want the entire team of massive work on new mechanics just for a bunch of solo players to get on raid exclusives ?? Oh my god !! And also weren’t you guys who crying about division 1 had focused on pvp ?! Well they gave you plenty of pve content now and here we are you are crying again and refusing to go play them !

    Ps: please iam begging you massive just made it clear there will be no exception for solo players !!
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    Originally Posted by OnlyRAID Go to original post
    So you want the entire team of massive work on new mechanics just for a bunch of solo players to get on raid exclusives ?? Oh my god !! And also weren’t you guys who crying about division 1 had focused on pvp ?! Well they gave you plenty of pve content now and here we are you are crying again and refusing to go play them !

    Ps: please iam begging you massive just made it clear there will be no exception for solo players !!
    I agree, i would love that massive work on balance pve and DZ glitch/cheat/chronusmax,but if they find a fast solution for stop the continous Wall of text about EB, i Will be Happy🤣
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    Originally Posted by XX-Artorias-XX Go to original post
    I agree, i would love that massive work on balance pve and DZ glitch/cheat/chronusmax,but if they find a fast solution for stop the continous Wall of text about EB, i Will be Happy🤣
    Unbelievable!! Guess what ! No be no ravennous no regulus until you go to raid !!
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