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    RPM vs Damage

    I'm comparing the FAMAS to the Honey Badger

    The Honey Badger has a 790 RPM while the FAMAS has a 900 RPM. A 110 RPM difference. However, the difference in their base damage value is 3801, with the FAMAS @ 44191 and the Honey Badger @ 47952, according to the updated spreadsheet.

    Let's say it's a Honey Badger vs a FAMAS in a fight. Weapon alone, who truly has the upper hand, based on the stats above?

    There would have to be some point where the RPM to damage ratio just wouldn't matter, right? Not really talking about 850 RPM vs 900 RPM because that difference most certainly won't be noticeable, nor am I talking about something widely obvious, like 600 RPM vs 900 RPM, but more so some minimal value that acts as the line between RPM to damage ratio mattering and then it not among things that aren't so obvious: 650 vs 790 for example.

    Any guess as to what that value could be?
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    i'm just assuming here, but as an MMORPG lover, high RPM = Burst DPS, High Burst but less consistent dps
    the Low RPM high damage sounds more like a consistent DPS to me, naturally in a pvp related battle high RPM beats low RPM,
    as in mmo standards how a Sorcerer could nuke meenwhile a Ranger could do more consistent DPS but less burst.

    meanwhile i'm curious about the values myself tho xD
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    Convert RPM to "seconds per mag" (i.e. MagSize*(60/RPM)), add on the reload time, work out how many mags you can get get through in a minute (60/(SPM+Reload)), multiply that by MagSize to give actual RPM, then multiply by damage, and you'll get an "effective DPM" which you can compare.
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    Originally Posted by RavennesVR Go to original post
    meanwhile i'm curious about the values myself tho xD
    There has to be some weapon in the game with damage that can keep pace with 900 RPM and have an RPM that can keep pace with, say, the AK's damage.
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    famas has ~663k base burst dps (excluding reloads) and ~396k base sustained dps (including reloads)
    honey badger has ~632k and ~384k respectively so 5% less burst and 2.5% less sustained
    meanwhile the honey badger cannot take any muzzle slot but has 4m more optimal range
    and most importanktly honey badger is highly accurate and stabel while the famas has rather harsh recoil and only medium accuracy mostly suited for <20-30m fighting

    so if you want to go up close and personal with the enemy use famas by all means, but if you want to fight at 20-40m and still hit most of your bullets instead of half, then honey badger can be better
    and yes, the famas has still the highest burst dps of any high end AR, but not the best sustained dps anymore
    the AK actually has very slightly higher sustained dps compared to the famas, with ~401k but only ~606k burst, so better if you have to repetedly magdump into a heavy or doggo, but worse at disposing of small waves of red enemys
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    In general, and I do mean general, my experience is that the higher rate of fire weapon (FAMAS) is a better killer than the Honey Badger or G36 or other ARs with lower RoF.

    Just running simple tests in the shooting range to see how long it takes to gun down all of the pop ups the FAMAS wins everytime, by a good 3 to 5 seconds. As my SHD levels have increased, I have gained the 10% increase to accuracy, stability, and reload time further increasing the deadlyness of this AR.

    No matter how much more damage a slower RoF AR does it cannot kill fast enough for me to stay alive against bullet sponge enemies. I have even gone so far as to roll +5% RoF onto my FAMAS for a total of 945, instead of damage to arnor or anything else, and it still kills faster.

    If this game were about strategy, tactics, and stealth then any AR would be viable. As a skill player, I prefer the FAMAS over eveything else. I like the way it feels, looks, and sounds (no to the 10% accuracy muzzle mod!).

    As I stated previously, this is just my experience and simple testing with the FAMAS over the last six months. No number crunching or running of legendaries. Just simple gaming, solo and grouped with clan members.
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    I have 11 builds but really only use 2 of them. This is my favorite build that combines high RPM and Damage. The SMG is the Safety Distance at 130.2 DMG. and 978 RPM and the Famas at 108.3 DMG. and 1035 RPM. The Safety Distance is the highest combined Damage and RPM weapon I have found so far that is usable at decent distances.


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    Originally Posted by Joonnnyy Go to original post
    famas has ~663k base burst dps (excluding reloads) and ~396k base sustained dps (including reloads)
    honey badger has ~632k and ~384k respectively so 5% less burst and 2.5% less sustained
    This is what I like to see. A somewhat small gap between the two weapons.

    I'm not really a crunching the numbers guy, so I wouldn't have known about burst damage and sustained damage. I just had a feeling that the Honey Badger (and Carbine 7) could really have a place against the FAMAS and wondered if jumping to up to a weapon with 825 RPM or down to a weapon with 750 RPM would still make the FAMAS the better weapon by a wide margin.
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    Someone had made a graph back when WONY had launched, FAMAS was the new DPS king overall, haven't seen a new updated chart since the TU10 damage buff. Most of the time in this game life span high rof weapons have been the meta, same was true for the first game.

    Personally i really like the AKs and using it with my raw damage build, certainly hits like a truck good enough to not make the biggest difference
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    Originally Posted by Crazyman9699 Go to original post
    I have 11 builds but really only use 2 of them. This is my favorite build that combines high RPM and Damage. The SMG is the Safety Distance at 130.2 DMG. and 978 RPM and the Famas at 108.3 DMG. and 1035 RPM. The Safety Distance is the highest combined Damage and RPM weapon I have found so far that is usable at decent distances.



    This is quite impressive. I may have a go with a setup like this. Thank you for sharing.
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