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    Ubi/Massive: Time to listen to your playerbase voices

    Surely someone at HQ plays the game and see what we see?

    How many more updates do we have to endure before you get it right?

    Is that the SoTG that we have to play hours and hours everyday for nothing?

    Mods dropping everywhere, Rainbow loot dropping everywhere, Poor rolls dropping everywhere......

    Is this the way forward?

    We are now getting a influx of new members registering just to express their concerns about loot.

    Can't you see what is happening? It's going downhill very fast.......

    Most of this is just in one week that i could find and tbh i stopped looking as it was endless, it's time you listen and stop fobbing your player base off:

    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...ot-improvement
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...09-Better-loot
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...ts-still-junk-!
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...ower-stats-now
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...ming-(6-Hours)
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...r-it-had-to-be
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthread.php/2238308-Loot
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...sis-8-Hour-Run
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...RNG-Experiment
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...bage-Devs-lied
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...oved-from-game
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...n-WONY-players
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...oot-generosity
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...-Rainbow-Loot?
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...s-so-bad-that?
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthread.php/2239344-Loot
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...build-progress
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...ation-is-buggy
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...Loot-Is-Trash?
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...ot-is-pathetic
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision...st_discussion/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision..._made_in_tu10/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision...very_targeted/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision...perience_with/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision..._gotten_worse/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision...st_difficulty/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision...ke_to_loot_in/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision...ty_difference/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision...unusable_loot/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision...rainbow_rolls/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision...till_terrible/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision...nerosity_gfys/

    A handfull of my posts i have done over time about this issue:

    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...ication-please
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...rol-Points-x-8
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...S-Phase-2-Loot
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...eeds-to-change!!
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...ed-drastically
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...-mod-drops-now!!
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...-answer-or-fix

    And yet here we are still!!
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    At this point it's obvious that it's just lies and apathy over and over. They just don't get it and don't care what we want.
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    Originally Posted by Riflemania Go to original post
    Surely someone at HQ plays the game and see what we see?

    How many more updates do we have to endure before you get it right?

    Is that the SoTG that we have to play hours and hours everyday for nothing?

    Mods dropping everywhere, Rainbow loot dropping everywhere, Poor rolls dropping everywhere......

    Is this the way forward?

    We are now getting a influx of new members registering just to express their concerns about loot.

    Can't you see what is happening? It's going downhill very fast.......

    Most of this is just in one week that i could find and tbh i stopped looking as it was endless, it's time you listen and stop fobbing your player base off:

    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...09-Better-loot
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...ts-still-junk-!
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...ower-stats-now
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...ming-(6-Hours)
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...r-it-had-to-be
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthread.php/2238308-Loot
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...sis-8-Hour-Run
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...RNG-Experiment
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...bage-Devs-lied
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...oved-from-game
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...n-WONY-players
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...oot-generosity
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision...st_discussion/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision..._made_in_tu10/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision...very_targeted/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision...perience_with/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision..._gotten_worse/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision...st_difficulty/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision...ke_to_loot_in/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision...ty_difference/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision...unusable_loot/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision...rainbow_rolls/

    A handfull of my posts i have done over time about this issue:

    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...ication-please
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...rol-Points-x-8
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...S-Phase-2-Loot
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...eeds-to-change!!
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...ed-drastically
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...-mod-drops-now!!
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...-answer-or-fix

    And yet here we are still!!
    It's a joke now, how can you fix then break these updates....is no one testing or playing the game?? in the Massive no fun entertainment studio. In the last 5 days, Reddit and forums have been full of complaints. This week SOTG should be interesting to see if they ignore it once again. Like everyone keeps saying this game has so much potential but they are incapable of the improvements needed. This game is 15months old now and look where we are!
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    To be honest i'm now numb to it all, i never pick any loot up or even look at it now, i just shoot some sht up for an hour then go and play a more rewarding looter shooter/RPG/lite game.

    Gone from 4 hours a day to 1 hour every 2 days playtime. (i just can't be bothered with the endless grind that results in nothing)

    I just wish the devs would come out and say either.

    They can't remove Rainbows
    Don't want to remove Rainbows
    Afraid people will get too powerful full stop
    Afraid people will get powerful too quickly
    Or is it a bug/glitch etc etc.

    Or something else
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    Originally Posted by j0hnnySolo Go to original post
    It's a joke now, how can you fix then break these updates....is no one testing or playing the game??
    This is one of the key things. Testing is clearly not being done effectively. If it was then many of these issues would have been spotted and dealt with long before they saw the light of day in the live game. And yes we all know the devs are working from home - so am I and I manage to get my work done and collaborate with team mates - so thats not really an excuse.

    Having a PTS is a great way for the player base to sample whats coming up but really it should be called a Public TRIAL Server because expecting your end users to perform testing for you because you didn't do it properly is unacceptable.

    There will always be the odd "oh, we didn't think of that, sorry" moments, and bugs (or unintentioned mechanics) will of course creep into the live game - just as with any software - but these should be the exception rather than the rule.
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    Yep its very sad ...... Truly no point in PTS,s peps just wasting time trying to help them cos they don,t listen or seem to care about anything but the new Raid ......
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    Originally Posted by Cadillac-Jack Go to original post
    I just wish the devs would come out and say either.

    They can't remove Rainbows
    Don't want to remove Rainbows
    Afraid people will get too powerful full stop
    Afraid people will get powerful too quickly
    Or is it a bug/glitch etc etc.

    Or something else
    This is my wish too, atleast we will know where we stand.
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    Originally Posted by Sultzerific Go to original post
    Having a PTS is a great way for the player base to sample whats coming up but really it should be called a Public TRIAL Server because expecting your end users to perform testing for you because you didn't do it properly is unacceptable.
    Pretty much this. Asking the community to do the work you should have done is despicable. To then proceed and ignore most of the complaints is just disgusting. I've been around for multiple PTS-es, and yes, I also started out motivated and naive, thinking that if I spend time on the PTS it will actually improve the game. Well, no more.

    These devs just don't get it. After spending almost a decade, they still don't know. It's not going to change without major changes in the organisation.

    Players: loot is bad, please fix
    Devs: let's nerf some popular build combos
    Players: please don't nerf builds in PVE because of some imbalance in PVP
    Devs: nerf some more combos into the ground
    Players: maybe it's a good idea to have separate PVP sets so you can tune them without affecting PVE and vice versa
    Devs: nerf some combos into the ground
    Players: skills really suck, can you fix
    Devs: Spend a full dev cycle reworking skills, actually doing a good job
    Players: thank you! But maybe it's a bit too powerful now, maybe tweak it down a little
    Devs: Release update that completely undoes their previous work.
    Players: .....
    Players: This M1A is good, but might be a bit too OP
    Devs: nerfs it into the ground
    Players: Errrm, it wasn't that OP
    Devs: ok, let's undo
    Players: alright let's try that again
    Devs: nerf other rifles because *theoretical* damage is too high, completely ignoring *real ingame* damage.
    Players: ...
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    Originally Posted by Riflemania Go to original post
    This is my wish too, atleast we will know where we stand.
    And thats the thing i'd give respect or more positives towards a dev that comes out and admits they were wrong etc etc etc, than one keeping things to themselves.


    I Watched the Bungie team do their live stream, and the lead Luke smith halfway through came out and said (We've made mistakes we were wrong and You can put that all on me ) and things are changing and going to change.

    Now i'm not saying they are saints and have the best game, infact it's been a sht show and they have deserved their hate/bashing etc etc etc, but when a dev/lead comes out and publically says so and apologizes live on stream then i will give that respect.

    Where am i putting my future money ATM on Destiny 2 for the new DLC, and certainly not the Premium track in this game. (will i regret it no, but i run the risk of the DLC not being great and that'll be down to me.) but because of said public apology then i'll give something to them.
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    Originally Posted by j0hnnySolo Go to original post
    It's a joke now, how can you fix then break these updates....is no one testing or playing the game?? in the Massive no fun entertainment studio. In the last 5 days, Reddit and forums have been full of complaints. This week SOTG should be interesting to see if they ignore it once again. Like everyone keeps saying this game has so much potential but they are incapable of the improvements needed. This game is 15months old now and look where we are!
    This is what you get when you change a Finished game by design pre TU8 and just change the whole fundamentals of the character build when it wasn’t broke to begin with.

    Simply put Massive broke the game lol and now they are having MASSIVE hard time to fix it.
    Good use of the word MASSIVE!
    Would be MASSIVE failure.
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