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[Wildjamster]

what platform you on FeuerSturm2k11? something you cant teach is experience but actually doing it will give the experience and in time the ability to negate will come. If you take a big hit (stagger) which is normally a headshot you know in a max 10 seconds your about to have a massive serge of damage coming so what do u do? you can look for easy pickings or you can choose to get a heal on yourself if you choose to continue firing and dont kill anyone then die then its down on yourself, never should anyone expect to be given a heal from someone else they dont know your about to get a massive serge of damage unless you tell them so its down to you to use a armour kit.

[scarp99anzz]

The weapon requires you to get headshots to really be of any good. It has significantly higher recoil without activating Tenacity.

Pretty much a well tuned AR with Damage to Targets Out of Cover and strained is just as powerful if not at times more powerful with Obliterate.

Most people who say the weapon is OP have never actually owned one.

Or the people that say its no good don't know how to use it properly. Very good weapon already if you know how to use it and its only getting better in TU10.

[TimesLostArc]

Or the people that say its no good don't know how to use it properly. Very good weapon already if you know how to use it and its only getting better in TU10.

https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...1#post15002828

I think I do. I compared the damage to my non exotic Strained Honey Badger. I have been an EB owner since the middle of last year and even have several threads and Imgur pics showing the recoil patterns and efforts taken to control the weapon.

Notice in the video you posted from EK gaming that he often held certain positions for extended durations of time. He was running the Gunner Specialization to increase the control over the recoil.

Weapon handling itself while getting a buff on paper is still lackluster even in this PTS. Pretty much the EB is a weapon intended for close quarter combat to take advantage of the Tenacity damage protection. The Headshot multiplier damage is additive to a already sturdy 50%+ multiplier. Unless you add something like Damage to Armor or Damage to Targets out of cover, you aren't really adding anything.

So yes, I would very much be considered an expert on this gun. It is and has been a consistent slight underperformer since TU7.

Do you want me to post the Imgur links to the EB's recoil patterns that still to my knowledge not ever been addressed?

[scarp99anzz]

https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...1#post15002828

I think I do. I compared the damage to my non exotic Strained Honey Badger. I have been an EB owner since the middle of last year and even have several threads and Imgur pics showing the recoil patterns and efforts taken to control the weapon.

Notice in the video you posted from EK gaming that he often held certain positions for extended durations of time. He was running the Gunner Specialization to increase the control over the recoil.

Weapon handling itself while getting a buff on paper is still lackluster even in this PTS. Pretty much the EB is a weapon intended for close quarter combat to take advantage of the Tenacity damage protection. The Headshot multiplier damage is additive to a already sturdy 50%+ multiplier. Unless you add something like Damage to Armor or Damage to Targets out of cover, you aren't really adding anything.

So yes, I would very much be considered an expert on this gun. It is and has been a consistent slight underperformer since TU7.

Do you want me to post the Imgur links to the EB's recoil patterns that still to my knowledge not ever been addressed?

I think I remember a thread a while ago about recoil patterns, maybe that was yours? Yes it can be tough to control but having used it so often, I stuck with it after the first nerf I can keep it under control very well. PS4 too so I guess even harder to keep it steady.

All I'm saying is currently in the live version I use it as a main in heroic solo stuff and get on perfectly fine with it and its my secondary in legendary missions and the raid and I find the gun works very well.
If it didn't think it was good enough I wouldn't use it like many of the other guns that I could pick but don't.

I will also add my legendary build and raid build has no Fenris piece in it either and both use Focus on chest so in theory I could make the Eagle even better for me if I used a Fenris piece and some other chest talent.

Most of my comments are aimed at the ones who say its really bad, OP post, very weak comments when in the right build it works well in legendary missions so I fail to see how it can be weak.
Very rarely see any other AR is legendary or the raid other than the Eagle to be honest.
I use a MK16 on one build as I use spotter chest talent and the technician mod for the long barrel guns so I try to get full benefit of talents for that build as its a 4th character and not all great gear etc.

[dmeight]

EB weak?

Watch from 20 seconds onwards, it shreds the NPC's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV7s6HdrhOs&t=19s

What ever build you tested it with clearly isn't the right one as I use the EB in heroic, legendary and the Raid in the current live version and its very good already, with the buff in tu10 it will be even better as the video above shows

Sorry Bro, but that's not my impression. Yes, DMG and magazine size is even OK, but talent is just stupid. Try playing in a group when you have a lot of veterans and elite, on a heroic plus level. This weapon will kill you so many times that you will have enough of it. Well, unless you play backwards and lean out from behind the cover so carefully that you almost never get injured. But if this weapon is designed only for those who play at lower levels of difficulty, only solo and behave extremely safely, remaining behind all the time, talent still makes no sense, because you never use it. That's why I wrote - better not let any talent be there.

[dmeight]

Or the people that say its no good don't know how to use it properly. Very good weapon already if you know how to use it and its only getting better in TU10.

You can not reroll DTTOOC, there is no talent increasing DMG. There is talent that is always a punishment and almost never a reward. Watch the latest SOLIDFPS video on how EB is positioned relative to other ARs before and after the TU10. Almost any other AR will be better if you add to it DTTOOC and some talent increasing DMG (Strained, Optimist etc).

But I am ok with EB base DMG, I don't want it to be necessarily increased. I just think the negative side of the talent is terrible.

[scarp99anzz]

Sorry Bro, but that's not my impression. Yes, DMG and magazine size is even OK, but talent is just stupid. Try playing in a group when you have a lot of veterans and elite, on a heroic plus level. This weapon will kill you so many times that you will have enough of it. Well, unless you play backwards and lean out from behind the cover so carefully that you almost never get injured. But if this weapon is designed only for those who play at lower levels of difficulty, only solo and behave extremely safely, remaining behind all the time, talent still makes no sense, because you never use it. That's why I wrote - better not let any talent be there.

But I'm using it in groups on heroic and Legendary now and see plenty of others using it too.

Like I said, you need to know how to use it.

Not sure what you mean by 'no talent increasing damage' plenty of chest and BP talents increase the EB's damage. Yes you cant have a weapon talent like Strained or whatever but while you are in cover not shooting anything with your Strained AR EB users can be taking a bit more damage and when you use the gun well it works a treat.

I'm getting on fine with it.

As for SOLIDFPS chart on the PTS phase 1, seems he uses Burst to rank the weapons? so TU9 The EB is actually joint second with the Famas, Big Horn top
Famas is top on the PTS however the Eagle didn't have its buff to damage yet so its going to be near the top again and looking at his numbers the Eagle has high numbers across the board in terms of damage even without its buff to damage added.
He also mentions blue is the highest and red the lowest, the Eagle has blue across the board again. All the numbers he says are the best for the guns the EB has a high and highest rating amongst the AR's so no idea why he talks it down if the numbers are so important as he says.
If its down to the talent then as long as you manage it well then its easily up near the top of the AR chart in the live version, especially in a pure CHC, CHD build as you can get the EB around 200% CHD with its 15% CHD mod, 10% CHC mod so you don't need any CHC gear mods at all and not CHC on every gear piece either so can spec elsewhere.
TU10? we will see.

[unknown_merc44]

Use it to commit suicide via Tenacity.

[Deltikcz]

Good change would be if delayed dmg cannot kill you (like it can lower your health to 1hp and 0armor but cannot kill you)

[dmeight]

But I'm using it in groups on heroic and Legendary now and see plenty of others using it too.

Like I said, you need to know how to use it.

Not sure what you mean by 'no talent increasing damage' plenty of chest and BP talents increase the EB's damage. Yes you cant have a weapon talent like Strained or whatever but while you are in cover not shooting anything with your Strained AR EB users can be taking a bit more damage and when you use the gun well it works a treat.

I'm getting on fine with it.

As for SOLIDFPS chart on the PTS phase 1, seems he uses Burst to rank the weapons? so TU9 The EB is actually joint second with the Famas, Big Horn top
Famas is top on the PTS however the Eagle didn't have its buff to damage yet so its going to be near the top again and looking at his numbers the Eagle has high numbers across the board in terms of damage even without its buff to damage added.
He also mentions blue is the highest and red the lowest, the Eagle has blue across the board again. All the numbers he says are the best for the guns the EB has a high and highest rating amongst the AR's so no idea why he talks it down if the numbers are so important as he says.
If its down to the talent then as long as you manage it well then its easily up near the top of the AR chart in the live version, especially in a pure CHC, CHD build as you can get the EB around 200% CHD with its 15% CHD mod, 10% CHC mod so you don't need any CHC gear mods at all and not CHC on every gear piece either so can spec elsewhere.
TU10? we will see.

For your knowledge - I know how to play this game and how to use this weapon. We can play together if you want. I will use P416 and you will use EB and we will compare how they work. We can even record our gameplay and show it in this thread. Are you ready for such an experiment? Then I will believe that I am using this weapon incorrectly. Or show me at least one video on Legenedary when you use mainly EB, you have top DPS stats and you do not die too often because of Tenacity talent.