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[King_of_Xibalba]

Noob and Normal lawbros can be punished with my pk with dodge attack on red. They are easy as a highlanders to kill. Sometimes they run away from me that's hilarious.

The ones who can bait me forever, react to lights, parry cancel daggers, side shove and with last Stand and second win are truly hell, the few times I win over them feels like I fought the last boss of a game. Abusing top lights is not an issue if you practice deflects on that.

And I only win cause my son is diamond with him and he teached me some counters. Otherwise with pk I would be slapped as a fly.

You only can accept the fact they are much better than most standard chars. Saltiness gets less. There is no shame in losing to a good lawbro as an assassin, you are handicapped anyway in most aspects.

[MrBdur]

I don't think someone who thinks Highlander and Shugoki is broken has the right to claim he is higher skill than anyone else. Even the barely avarage players know they are among the weakest heroes, especially highlander.

I said, EITHER you're on PC, or you're playing a lower level. I play on Xbox if you'd like to have a go. When I win, I'll still tell you that HL and Shugo are currently broken, because on Console, they are.

Also, barely average players claiming a hero is weak just means that barely average players don't know how to play that hero properly. I play at a very high level of play as I am rep 250+ and I have made diamond a number of times. The game is different at varying skill levels. At top level play, there are some SERIOUSLY broken heroes.

The post arguing HL is easily exploited says "if you can dodge the kick to grab, you won't lose" yet that's a high level HL's most reliable input. I eat the kick to grab more often than not, and when I play HL, I land it more often than not. This is because it is too little risk for too high a reward. Its simply too reliable and if you can do it just 2 or 3 times, the fight is over. Good HL's never use moves outside of OF, besides the light opener. They stay in OF, dodge, then kick to grab.

Highlander has a weak kit overall, but the thing that breaks the hero is that single 50/50, kick to grab. Remove the 50/50 by just spacing the soft feint to grab by an extra 100ms, and then improve his kit outside of OF.

[Qoissant]

I said, EITHER you're on PC, or you're playing a lower level. I play on Xbox if you'd like to have a go. When I win, I'll still tell you that HL and Shugo are currently broken, because on Console, they are.

Also, barely average players claiming a hero is weak just means that barely average players don't know how to play that hero properly. I play at a very high level of play as I am rep 250+ and I have made diamond a number of times. The game is different at varying skill levels. At top level play, there are some SERIOUSLY broken heroes.

The post arguing HL is easily exploited says "if you can dodge the kick to grab, you won't lose" yet that's a high level HL's most reliable input. I eat the kick to grab more often than not, and when I play HL, I land it more often than not. This is because it is too little risk for too high a reward. Its simply too reliable and if you can do it just 2 or 3 times, the fight is over. Good HL's never use moves outside of OF, besides the light opener. They stay in OF, dodge, then kick to grab.

Highlander has a weak kit overall, but the thing that breaks the hero is that single 50/50, kick to grab. Remove the 50/50 by just spacing the soft feint to grab by an extra 100ms, and then improve his kit outside of OF.

I have gone from console [200 reps] to PC [100reps] and i cannot accept your use of "oh boo hoo console" here. His kickgrab is no different than the vortex that both warden and hitokiri trap people in other than that highlanders is worse because you run out of stamina lightning quick and cannot be chained near infinitely. Highlander is bad on both versions, the only difference is that his attacks are technically about 60-80ms faster on console. That is not enough to break him considering his neutral light is 600ms as it is.

You can also hit highlander out of his kick grab with a light pretty easily but you just have to make that 50/50 read like most heroes require in this game

[MrBdur]

I have gone from console [200 reps] to PC [100reps] and i cannot accept your use of "oh boo hoo console" here. His kickgrab is no different than the vortex that both warden and hitokiri trap people in other than that highlanders is worse because you run out of stamina lightning quick and cannot be chained near infinitely. Highlander is bad on both versions, the only difference is that his attacks are technically about 60-80ms faster on console. That is not enough to break him considering his neutral light is 600ms as it is.

You can also hit highlander out of his kick grab with a light pretty easily but you just have to make that 50/50 read like most heroes require in this game

Right. His kick grab is no worse than warden vortex (one of the most cancerous things in the game) and hitos kick meta (again cancer. Quick kick should give light attack, charged kick should give heavy). Comparing a move to cancer doesn't help your arguement. In fact, it helps mine instead.

Boo hoo console? It's no secret this game performs better on PC, so dunno why you think I'm boohooing. Lol

On another note, since everyone on these forums ends up giving the "just git gud" arguement, how bout a friendly duel? Xbox One?

[MrBdur]

I have gone from console [200 reps] to PC [100reps] and i cannot accept your use of "oh boo hoo console" here. His kickgrab is no different than the vortex that both warden and hitokiri trap people in other than that highlanders is worse because you run out of stamina lightning quick and cannot be chained near infinitely. Highlander is bad on both versions, the only difference is that his attacks are technically about 60-80ms faster on console. That is not enough to break him considering his neutral light is 600ms as it is.

You can also hit highlander out of his kick grab with a light pretty easily but you just have to make that 50/50 read like most heroes require in this game

Another thing I'll point out. These issues I've mentioned on console were not issues, say, a year ago before the Raider mega buff. These are all more recent issues and only this past year have I slowly played less and less due to mounting issues. If you have already been on PC long enough to acquire 100 reps, then your opinion on the matter is null and void, as I have already stated that I believe these issues are Console specific. Unless you are currently playing on Console consistently, you would never have experienced these issues to begin with.

[Qoissant]

Right. His kick grab is no worse than warden vortex (one of the most cancerous things in the game) and hitos kick meta (again cancer. Quick kick should give light attack, charged kick should give heavy). Comparing a move to cancer doesn't help your arguement. In fact, it helps mine instead

I would not necessarily say that they are cancerous, what is cancerous is that a lot of heroes lack reliable tools like those, I also said that highlanders kick grab is still far worse than those because of his stamina but go ahead and ignore that i guess. I can't explain the details as well but somebody actually explained why mixing hitos light and heavy punish would make her a lot stronger than she already is. It would make her mix up as good if not better than wardens.

Boo hoo console? It's no secret this game performs better on PC, so dunno why you think I'm boohooing. Lol

Because you are slapping console as an excuse onto almost everything you say nowadays and you have another thread literally titled "PC vs Console". I said in my post that attacks on console can be roughly 60-80ms faster than PC because of input lag.

On another note, since everyone on these forums ends up giving the "just git gud" arguement, how bout a friendly duel? Xbox One?

I'm not sure how me clapping you is going to help my argument? Sounds kinda toxic lol

Another thing I'll point out. These issues I've mentioned on console were not issues, say, a year ago before the Raider mega buff. These are all more recent issues and only this past year have I slowly played less and less due to mounting issues. If you have already been on PC long enough to acquire 100 reps, then your opinion on the matter is null and void, as I have already stated that I believe these issues are Console specific. Unless you are currently playing on Console consistently, you would never have experienced these issues to begin with.

I only sold my console in december, I had both up until then so that would actually give me good insight on the differences, playing console continuously is just going to cause people to think like you do with PC is 10x easier.

[MrBdur]

I would not necessarily say that they are cancerous, what is cancerous is that a lot of heroes lack reliable tools like those, I also said that highlanders kick grab is still far worse than those because of his stamina but go ahead and ignore that i guess. I can't explain the details as well but somebody actually explained why mixing hitos light and heavy punish would make her a lot stronger than she already is. It would make her mix up as good if not better than wardens.



Because you are slapping console as an excuse onto almost everything you say nowadays and you have another thread literally titled "PC vs Console". I said in my post that attacks on console can be roughly 60-80ms faster than PC because of input lag.



I'm not sure how me clapping you is going to help my argument? Sounds kinda toxic lol



I only sold my console in december, I had both up until then so that would actually give me good insight on the differences, playing console continuously is just going to cause people to think like you do with PC is 10x easier.

If they swapped hitos kick stuff, then they need to tweak it a little as well. You dont just swap it and leave it. You give light kick a light finisher, thus ending the combo. You give the charged kick a special, combo ending heavy like valk. Boom. Fixed.

HL sure takes more stamina to spam than hito or warden, but also gets way more damage for connecting, and has a soft feint out of the UB into another UB. Can warden soft feint his bash into a knockdown? Can Hito? No, and no.

I'm not slapping Console on as an excuse. It's true that this game is better on PC, and that's where my arguement lies. It's a fact, not an excuse.

You definitely wouldn't slap me and I'd be happy to prove it but it seems you'll make any excuse to make me look bad so you can avoid that.

So, if people play console continuously like me, they'll just end up thinking exactly like me? I can't tell but is this you finally accepting I'm right, in the same message where you refute every word I said? If they all end up thinking like me, doesn't that suggest that my words hold true??

[Qoissant]

If they swapped hitos kick stuff, then they need to tweak it a little as well. You dont just swap it and leave it. You give light kick a light finisher, thus ending the combo. You give the charged kick a special, combo ending heavy like valk. Boom. Fixed.

HL sure takes more stamina to spam than hito or warden, but also gets way more damage for connecting, and has a soft feint out of the UB into another UB. Can warden soft feint his bash into a knockdown? Can Hito? No, and no.

I'm not slapping Console on as an excuse. It's true that this game is better on PC, and that's where my arguement lies. It's a fact, not an excuse.

You definitely wouldn't slap me and I'd be happy to prove it but it seems you'll make any excuse to make me look bad so you can avoid that.

So, if people play console continuously like me, they'll just end up thinking exactly like me? I can't tell but is this you finally accepting I'm right, in the same message where you refute every word I said? If they all end up thinking like me, doesn't that suggest that my words hold true??

I can only explain so many times that the difference between PC and Console is so minor that it doesn't enough affect higher level players or people with good reaction times. Knight Raime already gave you his personal experience of switching from console and I have to agree completely with the fact the coming over to PC does not make you a better player, this is objectively the truth and you cannot argue around it. The balance that is employed to make PC hard does not break the game on the console. There are no characters that are better or worse on either platform.

Highlander on PC still requires you to make a read on his kick grab, his attack after a neutral light, OS lights, etc.They are all very hard things to just outright react to.

So, if people play console continuously like me, they'll just end up thinking exactly like me? I can't tell but is this you finally accepting I'm right, in the same message where you refute every word I said? If they all end up thinking like me, doesn't that suggest that my words hold true??

This is the equivalent of me saying '2+2=4' and you would respond with "i can't tell but is this you finally excepting I am right about 2+2=7?". If you only play on console with the mindset that PC is better and console players have it bad, you are obviously going to really start believing that. But, belief does not make something true. Someone who has experienced both is able to objectively compare and come to a conclusion. You don't have a PC obviously or else you would play that instead of console and you would not be here today crying about your imaginary platform specific balance problems. So with this in mind, me and other people who have switched say that what you're talking about isn't true along with proof from some youtubers and pro league. But you, who has only played console with maybe 1 or 2 matches on a friends PC, say that we are wrong and you somehow know this without the tools to even test it yourself and with no supporting evidence.

Also I can't make you look bad when all of our responses are here in the open. If you being like "1v1 me bro" in the middle of an argument about game balance to a dude who is publicly known to play only breach looks toxic, that is entirely your fault. I'm not sure what you expected.


TL;DR

- Xbox is at a input lag disadvantage of 60-80ms
- This does not affect the balance of heroes
- PC doesn't make you better
- Sounds like you need to revisit the training arena and practice against Highlander more
- I am not interested in having a conversation with someone with this level of ignorance on such a clear cut topic and has an attitude of "lets prove our game knowledge in the arena"

[Lunamaria2020]

Right. His kick grab is no worse than warden vortex (one of the most cancerous things in the game) and hitos kick meta (again cancer. Quick kick should give light attack, charged kick should give heavy). Comparing a move to cancer doesn't help your arguement. In fact, it helps mine instead.

Boo hoo console? It's no secret this game performs better on PC, so dunno why you think I'm boohooing. Lol

On another note, since everyone on these forums ends up giving the "just git gud" arguement, how bout a friendly duel? Xbox One?

It has been explained countless times than the difference between console and pc is mostly because you use TV and wireless controler than the game running at 30 fps. So nop, if you use a monitor, wired connection, wired controller, you will get a near pc experience.

[MrBdur]

I can only explain so many times that the difference between PC and Console is so minor that it doesn't enough affect higher level players or people with good reaction times. Knight Raime already gave you his personal experience of switching from console and I have to agree completely with the fact the coming over to PC does not make you a better player, this is objectively the truth and you cannot argue around it. The balance that is employed to make PC hard does not break the game on the console. There are no characters that are better or worse on either platform.

Highlander on PC still requires you to make a read on his kick grab, his attack after a neutral light, OS lights, etc.They are all very hard things to just outright react to.



This is the equivalent of me saying '2+2=4' and you would respond with "i can't tell but is this you finally excepting I am right about 2+2=7?". If you only play on console with the mindset that PC is better and console players have it bad, you are obviously going to really start believing that. But, belief does not make something true. Someone who has experienced both is able to objectively compare and come to a conclusion. You don't have a PC obviously or else you would play that instead of console and you would not be here today crying about your imaginary platform specific balance problems. So with this in mind, me and other people who have switched say that what you're talking about isn't true along with proof from some youtubers and pro league. But you, who has only played console with maybe 1 or 2 matches on a friends PC, say that we are wrong and you somehow know this without the tools to even test it yourself and with no supporting evidence.

Also I can't make you look bad when all of our responses are here in the open. If you being like "1v1 me bro" in the middle of an argument about game balance to a dude who is publicly known to play only breach looks toxic, that is entirely your fault. I'm not sure what you expected.


TL;DR

- Xbox is at a input lag disadvantage of 60-80ms
- This does not affect the balance of heroes
- PC doesn't make you better
- Sounds like you need to revisit the training arena and practice against Highlander more
- I am not interested in having a conversation with someone with this level of ignorance on such a clear cut topic and has an attitude of "lets prove our game knowledge in the arena"

Dude, I asked for a friendly duel, not to just beat you and go "ha ha you suck". I wanted to see your level of play first hand so i could confirm or deny what you're saying but you refuse which leads me to believe you aren't very good. My opinion is simply that at higher levels of play, there are some serious issues. I believe part of the reason is PC vs Console. If I'm wrong, then just give me a duel and show me. Like dang dude.

If you arent playing at my level, then your opinion is null and void since noob players can't even pull off the maneuvers that cause issues. I want to see if you're better than me, cuz if you are, I'd be more inclined to believe your opinion. However, if I clapped you 3-0 with little effort, I would know that you have no clue what you're talking about lol.