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    Originally Posted by Ranger_Logan Go to original post
    A lot of community members require more evidence than Ubisoft/Massive need to believe something is broken.
    Those same players would refuse to accept any proof given. They seek to troll, not discuss.
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    Originally Posted by dagrommit Go to original post
    If you have enough time to post here, you have enough time to provide details about the problem. And yes, the customer does need to provide evidence if they want a problem addressed. I don't get a new video card by telling Asus that mine is broken without providing them some diagnostic information.



    It's funny how tone policing only occurs when people are (quite rightly) pushing back on those who are just here to rant.
    If you really have QAed before. His rant did provide enough info for the Devs to do some leg work. The problem the OP spoke about has been around for awhile and not the 1st time this has happened to a player or players.
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    Maybe the dart thrower at the beginning of Federal Emergency Bunker has broken free and is on a rampage
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    if there is a free slot in the squad i offer them to chat me in uplay client and i will join them to help with pathway.

    i want to have a look at what happens with them there and why it happens.
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    Originally Posted by Ranger_Logan Go to original post
    Like I said... for me! Which you cut out from quoting...
    Yes, because your claim to expertise is irrelevant as you don't work on the game.

    I read every bit of a comment. I admit, I was lazy in detailing my post. But what I wanted to state about armor is that I would've determined the all types of damage done to armor (distance, which weapon, under/out of status effect, inside/outside cover, cover2cover/running/sprinting/walking, weapons, talents, with/without CHC+CHD, headshot, etc.).

    Edit: You should reread when I actually mention "against all types of AI".
    Originally Posted by YodaMan 3D Go to original post
    If you really have QAed before. His rant did provide enough info for the Devs to do some leg work. The problem the OP spoke about has been around for awhile and not the 1st time this has happened to a player or players.
    I'll note that if this problem was so common and easy to reproduce, someone in this thread would have provided a video by now. But nobody has
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    Originally Posted by dagrommit Go to original post
    I'll note that if this problem was so common and easy to reproduce, someone in this thread would have provided a video by now. But nobody has
    You're right it is common enough that the Devs don't need a video. They should be able to re-create it. What I find funny is others players demanding a video. Why? What are they going to do about it? That' is correct. Nothing. Even though if provided with proof, the haters still wouldn't believe it anyway. One is for sure, since the game has been released, players have complained about OHK by the NPCs.

    So it only makes sense, that we aren't all playing the same game.
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    Originally Posted by YodaMan 3D Go to original post
    You're right it is common enough that the Devs don't need a video. They should be able to re-create it. What I find funny is others players demanding a video. Why? What are they going to do about it? That' is correct. Nothing. Even though if provided with proof, the haters still wouldn't believe it anyway. One is for sure, since the game has been released, players have complained about OHK by the NPCs.

    So it only makes sense, that we aren't all playing the same game.
    You're right. I want to see stuff fixed, hence encourage people to provide evidence so those bugs get prioritized. Other people just want to whine
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    Originally Posted by YodaMan 3D Go to original post
    How can you be so sure it didn't? Oh yeah, your opinion and ego refuses to believe. Though I personally haven't been hit for 1.9 mil, I have been dropped received a OHK of 1.2 mil by a Red on Hard. You should really stop and think about, we aren't all playing the same game. We all get different experiences. So why it may never happen to you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
    I can tell you this. Back in TU7, I did a few field tests for raid explosive damage using the suicide drones as a gauge to determine the scale of damage. Pretty much I went on the tarmac and died a lot. It was a solo activity, because I doubt that anyone wanted to go out there with me and die repeatedly on the tarmac.

    What I discovered is that NPC's have different formulas for damage scaling.

    Elite and Named are Flat Rate. They do a particular amount of damage and it varies by very little.

    Veteran and Red NPC's are a very different beast. Their damage scales more on a percentage. The idea is that they should probably not do more than a percentage of damage to you in a fight. The problem in this can come if you are scaled with other people and the percentages are not kept in line. A Purple or Red NPC if not taken care of quickly care of quickly can wreck your day as a tank. More armor means they do more damage. There seems to be a reduction when you lose armor/health, but their rules are very open. If people are experiencing Server side issues as have been recorded repeatedly, then a one shot kill on a client's screen isn't out of the question. It is an inevitability.

    Originally Posted by dagrommit Go to original post
    I'll note that if this problem was so common and easy to reproduce, someone in this thread would have provided a video by now. But nobody has
    I did post vids on the first page of this thread. I am not the OP, but people being one shot or near one shot are rather common right now. They are not hard to find.

    Originally Posted by dagrommit Go to original post
    You're right. I want to see stuff fixed, hence encourage people to provide evidence so those bugs get prioritized. Other people just want to whine
    I know there are whiners. I want this stuff fixed. I enjoy this game. I have played the Division 2 since the first beta. I took a break for a while for reasons, but I really enjoy this game.

    It is why I am so adamant right now on these threads. There is a lot going on and this seems like the time to press for changes. There are other times to just press back on whining, but this seems like a series of severe problems that are better to fix here and now before they get worse only to require harsher fixes.
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    Originally Posted by TimesLostArc Go to original post
    I did post vids on the first page of this thread. I am not the OP, but people being one shot or near one shot are rather common right now. They are not hard to find.
    All of the videos you linked featured an Elite - the OP's claim is that a red took them down with one shot. The amount of damage Elite NPC's *should* deal is a controversial topic, but I don't think anyone is claiming reds on Hard should one-shot you. Hence the suggestion to provide evidence, whether videos or screenshots (the death screen). Doing so will help ensure the issue is given priority over some vague complaint with no evidence.
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    Originally Posted by YodaMan 3D Go to original post
    How can you be so sure it didn't? Oh yeah, your opinion and ego refuses to believe. Though I personally haven't been hit for 1.9 mil, I have been dropped received a OHK of 1.2 mil by a Red on Hard. You should really stop and think about, we aren't all playing the same game. We all get different experiences. So why it may never happen to you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
    I refuse to believe it, because OP claimed it was happening the -entire- evening.. on Hard difficulty to a static group of players, who by his words play mostly Heroic difficulty and even set personal challenges for one another like playing with only pistols and such. I can believe if he claimed it happened once, but I can't believe it when he claims it happened during the entire evening. That's just sound like a pure exaggeration to me cause by frustration. It's fine to get frustrated but don't start twist the truth, because of that. Getting your 1.9M stripped in one shot from a red enemy on Hard sounds it could be a bug that may happen in some rare isolated case, but to be happening all evening -- that's pretty far fetched.

    Not to mention that OP's post lacked any context to beging with.. it may have been bug, it may have been not, it may have been just a error on his part that caused the wipe. Everyone does mistakes. Not many willing admit them though, especially in video games. There was also the attitude, as well.

    I might not have any personal use of a video myself, but if OP wanted anything fixed in the first place, he would've actually bothered getting one and reported this appropriately, not throwing a tantrum in the forums and calling out anyone who might potential disagree with him, cause you see -- everyone should just accept anything anyone says on the internet blindly. Riiight.

    Opinion and ego have nothing to with anything here. You know what happens, when players keep complain and complain and complain about difficulty, right? The game gets overnerfed. And I don't want to see that happen, because the gameplay is challenging and fun right now and the difficulties are just right IMO. So I will keep pushing against such topics, because if you complain about something you have to provide some solid evidence first, aside from 'Oh this is broken, fix it!' and than to expect anyone to just agree with you, because the game have it's issue.

    If that's fine by you -- you do you. But it's not fine by me.
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