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[NAWR7.61]

I start to believe tht there is plenty of internal politics and power trips within the team and egos at all levels and this hinders the progress. I think there is overall disengagement in the team either with the senior management or with team vs another team. Also, i reckon the top-level Ubi are wanting to make money more than anything and this then affects the bottom chain as they feel the direction of the game is going bad and they are not bothered to deliver it to an amazing standard.

I think there is a lot more of the above that is the underlying issue here that we not really looking at. What do you guys think?

[igrvks]

I start to believe tht there is plenty of internal politics and power trips within the team and egos at all levels and this hinders the progress. I think there is overall disengagement in the team either with the senior management or with team vs another team. Also, i reckon the top-level Ubi are wanting to make money more than anything and this then affects the bottom chain as they feel the direction of the game is going bad and they are not bothered to deliver it to an amazing standard.

I think there is a lot more of the above that is the underlying issue here that we not really looking at. What do you guys think?

While every major corporation has the middle management and marketing twisting things up, and I still personally believe that the infamous Editorial team had a major role in how Breakpoint turned out to be I still believe that the issue here is not so much any "power trips" within the team, but the fact that the majority of Ubisoft resources have been pivoted to make sure their next flagship titles like AC:Valhalla and Watch Dogs Legion have a smoother release and get more positive reviews from the investors and community alike.

After Breakpoint launch and the reactions it received Ubisoft pushed back all of their major titles to implement unspecified fixes for "ensuring quality". One can only speculate in horror how Ubified those games had to be for them to push every single major title back like that, but that also resulted in Breakpoint having a much smaller post-launch content team than any previous Ubi Paris titles. So my completely subjective speculation is that it's not necessarily about anyone having a power trip in Paris, but instead diverting their time and resources where they are told to.

[Hugo-FOU]

Lol hugo after all this time I can't believe you've still got expectations, damn that made me laugh

They’re low. Very low, but I’m still concerned they won’t meet them!

[vahndaar]

Ub has around 40 studios, Quebec and Montreal are the core AC studios, pulling in smaller hub studios to help with different aspects. Think I read they're drawing on 14 for ACV but I doubt Paris will be heavily involved.

Paris is pretty much dedicated to Breakpoint along with technical tools, engine and backend.

So that does keep the team available thankfully.

[Loomse]

I'm quite surprised that there are still people willing to defend Ubi. No my dear collegues, the time for **** sucking and shoulder tapping is long gone.
The game was delivered in Alpha state at best. The Ubi Paris was FULLY AWARE that they are demanding full price for an unfinished and content lacking product. All those pre release promises were lies, nothing more. Post relelease communication did not exist and we were left in the dark.
For those White Knights - please, link me a discussion were the devs were actually active. I know that you will not find anything but please, surprise me. As for the Warframe link, the game is f2p and was released in 2013.

Every patch is a huge dissapointment, lacking content and changes requested by the community. The MMO elements, that for some unknown reason were implemented in the Tom Clancy's game, were poorly executed. We got Raids that revolve around killing 4 bullet spongy drones. Ubi knew from day 1 that it was nothing more than a waste of resources so they cancelled the 2nd one.
PvE got Immersive Mode - now we can play GRB with the same bugs but with limited UI. Mind blowing.
PvP (at least on PC) is an absolute disaster. Not a single issue was adressed since the release. The best part ? Game is even less stable after "patches" than it was before.

The response from Ubi, regarding the situation is nothing more than throwing **** at the community - zero details regarding what would be fixed, how is the balance of classes/weapons/perks is going or what's going on with servers. We should expect patch in June ? August maybe, knowing how the previous updates went. The game was a massive flop so it's pretty reasonable to think that future content was axed and we receive scraps. Live Service ? Where ?

[Stomp0nMybaIls]

I'm quite surprised that there are still people willing to defend Ubi. No my dear collegues, the time for **** sucking and shoulder tapping is long gone.
The game was delivered in Alpha state at best. The Ubi Paris was FULLY AWARE that they are demanding full price for an unfinished and content lacking product. All those pre release promises were lies, nothing more. Post relelease communication did not exist and we were left in the dark.
For those White Knights - please, link me a discussion were the devs were actually active. I know that you will not find anything but please, surprise me. As for the Warframe link, the game is f2p and was released in 2013.

Every patch is a huge dissapointment, lacking content and changes requested by the community. The MMO elements, that for some unknown reason were implemented in the Tom Clancy's game, were poorly executed. We got Raids that revolve around killing 4 bullet spongy drones. Ubi knew from day 1 that it was nothing more than a waste of resources so they cancelled the 2nd one.
PvE got Immersive Mode - now we can play GRB with the same bugs but with limited UI. Mind blowing.
PvP (at least on PC) is an absolute disaster. Not a single issue was adressed since the release. The best part ? Game is even less stable after "patches" than it was before.

The response from Ubi, regarding the situation is nothing more than throwing **** at the community - zero details regarding what would be fixed, how is the balance of classes/weapons/perks is going or what's going on with servers. We should expect patch in June ? August maybe, knowing how the previous updates went. The game was a massive flop so it's pretty reasonable to think that future content was axed and we receive scraps. Live Service ? Where ?

Dude it's a video game, firstly,

Secondly, Warframe is literally going through the same thing if you actually follow it, Developers releasing broken updates, kneejerking reaction fixes, and the likes, F2P or not the games are developed and handled the same way, and the whole point of that clip was to say that this whole "oh they can handle it" mentality is naive, I was literally only saying "hey treat people the way that you'd want to be treated", you know the golden rule, real first grade stuff, and if that makes me a "shill" for saying that then all I have to say is wow.

[vahndaar]

I'm fairly sure Ubi gets how much of a mess things are honestly, they're well aware.

As for the comms I welcome it and welcome more, I'm not saying it's enough but it's the right behaviour and should be encouraged.

Venting is understandable, hell I ranted and raved right around the time of the beta and release for about a month solid. I called them everything under the sun. Did it make me feel better? Yeah a bit. Did it actually help improve the game? No, not really. I still want to jump on here and rant every time the game gets on my nerves but I try and reign it in and express why I'm frustrated rather than just saying that I'm frustrated.

So I took the approach of providing constructive feedback and helping to describe why the game missed the mark and helped visualise improvements and how the game could better fit the community and customer expectations. Sure I'm still angry and frustrated with it but I'm channeling it in a different way that could actually be of use. And we have already made a difference with immersive mode, so that approach does work and it does make a difference.

We won't see devs on here, it would be nice but I imagine they're under enough pressure and they've probably been grafting and crunching for months pre and post launch. They're not influential decision makers, they're normal people doing their jobs at the end of the day in a high pressure environment in the middle of a global crisis. The strain is real. I'm happy to leave them to make steady progress and I believe they are and are passionate about the game.

Until then let's keep discussing what we want to see in the game and where it doesn't meet our expectations and hope things keep moving in the right direction.

[GamerCZ84]

If you are nice in your feedback or angry does not make any difference. Immersive mode was added based on survey results not your nice attitude feedback here on the forums.

And people stop saying that old excuse that its a video game! Its a product and their ultimate failure edition was actually very pricy!

You can neglect some bugs. But breakpoint is broken since beta and only got worse with each update.

Immersive mode is a good step sure, but it was supposed to be in the game upon realease and in better state! There is no excuse for releasing "fifa" with missing ball!

Sure we should act civil, but they need to show some solid work to deserve some possitive feedback.

PVP is the worst thing I have ever seen in over 20 years of gaming! And they dont have main issues even listed in known issues!

There are ZERO expectations for their work which puts them actually in a good position.

They are considered an absolute loosers so the only thing they can actually do is to come up with a big patch, fully testes and which would resolve major issues in one go.

If they do that their reputation would skyrocket.
But they seem to be unwilling ot unable.

They have thousands of posts and ideas snd they dont use them still.

[Loomse]

Just because one developer is incompetent and fails to deliver working product it automatically gives a pass to all other ?
Your golden rule applies to Ubi as well - they treated their customers like **** so, folowing your logic, they deserve nothing more. On top of that, they refused to communicate and proceed with their amazing vision of GR. The vision that already destroyed Ghost Recon franchise.
Also, was the GRB free where you live ? No ? Same here, had to pay money i earn.

[AI BLUEFOX]

I'm sorry but I'm being perfectly honest (albeit quite frank) when I say this sounds a little ridiculous to me. It appears to me like your blaming us for Ubis lack of communication and community interaction? .....seriously?

If Ubi is as thin skinned as you allude and (even worse) it affects their decision to communicate with their customers., they've got bigger problems than I thought.

I'll just answer your post, Kean, but the response applies to the others who have also mis-interpreted what I said. Where do I blame the community for the reaction and the atmosphere?

The reaction in this thread has been largely negative, that's just a simple observation. It is also fair to say that any person or company that causes more negativity when they say something than they do by staying quiet is going to be tempted to clam up. That doesn't mean the negativity isn't their fault in the first place. Again, that is just an observation on the reality of the world we live in. IW are generating way more good publicity than bad and have a success on their hands so of course they are going to feed into it. That isn't the case here, and although I wouldn't call it thin skinned, there is definitely a sensitivity around the community sentiment surrounding Breakpoint; something that the CEO has mentioned in investor briefs. I don't, and didn't in my post, blame the community for being frustrated at the lack of communication to date or condone that lack of communication. It's not the attitude of the community that Delta Company and I are trying to change it is the attitude of the company.

The point of my post is to appeal to you guys to see the merit in a small step forward, however small. That isn't excusing what's gone on before or confusing that step with being to the standard we want. Of course you may not see it as a forward step, but I do, and if you disagree with me on that point then fine, we can discuss that as an issue, but you should recognise that what I posted is in the context of my view. I do see this news release as different to the norm and as a positive, and I do think that if it was recognised as that it could help, but that is all. It doesn't mean anything wider than that, or mean the community are at fault or mean everything is now OK.

....and please don't confuse criticism with hostility. There are only a couple folks around here who step over that line. I can;t help that. .....but it's not going to stop me from providing my own input which btw is not hostile.

Not a problem, kean, I get where you're coming from.