Can shoalin get an opener already? | Forums

[garr1999]

Honestly i'm kinda confused with this situation myself but I think shaolin does
need an opener besides sifu.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

Honestly i'm kinda confused with this situation myself but I think shaolin does
need an opener besides sifu.

Especially since Sifu is a Jiang Jun move. : D

[Qoissant]

Canadian are you talking about zhanhu's side dodge when it hits the opponents weapons
he does a fist strike that drains stamina or are you talking about JJ when he does a
forward heavy that softfeints into a kick which gives a free heavy on wallsplat.

No, I am talking about jiang juns dodge heavy where he can soft feint the attack to a 400ms light attack from the opposite direction. He also has a forward dodge heavy that you can soft feint into kick for a free light or heavy on wallsplat.

Zanhus "opener" is his forward dodge light which is 400 ms or his 50/50 400ms side dodge lights

[garr1999]

My brain went somewherelse during that

[The_Sentinel_]

He has a 400ms light from neutral. That is an opener.

exactly. I thought assassins dont need openers coz they ahve 400ms lights

[Qoissant]

exactly. I thought assassins dont need openers coz they ahve 400ms lights

That is ridiculous, lawbringer has 400ms light, nobu has 400ms light, raider basically has a 400ms light built into a soft feint with multiple options, kensei has what feels like a 400ms zone because of its animation [yeah i know its 500ms], nuxia has 400ms lights plus a soft feint. etc

Main point: A singular move at 400ms is not a practical opener as we can clearly see from other heroes kits with more options. Shaolins only 400ms attacks are his top lights even in chi stance. They are always from the top, Absolutely no flexibility.

At the very least he needs enhanced lights. LB has 400ms top and 500ms sides just like shaolin but lb also gets hyper armour, dodge bash on red and ridiculous parry punishes. LB has similar mobility, way more health, better feats, an extremely good chase tool, and he is basically a free character in the game. But LB's lights are enhanced and shaolins are not.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

That is ridiculous, lawbringer has 400ms light, nobu has 400ms light, raider basically has a 400ms light built into a soft feint with multiple options, kensei has what feels like a 400ms zone because of its animation [yeah i know its 500ms], nuxia has 400ms lights plus a soft feint. etc

Main point: A singular move at 400ms is not a practical opener as we can clearly see from other heroes kits with more options. Shaolins only 400ms attacks are his top lights even in chi stance. They are always from the top, Absolutely no flexibility.

At the very least he needs enhanced lights. LB has 400ms top and 500ms sides just like shaolin but lb also gets hyper armour, dodge bash on red and ridiculous parry punishes. LB has similar mobility, way more health, better feats, an extremely good chase tool, and he is basically a free character in the game. But LB's lights are enhanced and shaolins are not.

Plus lb has far better range.

[Qoissant]

Plus lb has far better range.

and full guard

[Goat_of_Vermund]

and full guard

It would actually be a cool game- tell a thing lb has over normal heroes. At least 100 posts could be made.

I think most shaolin problems would go with the TG changes. Let's hope they arrive soon.

[garr1999]

I actually tried lawbringer during the TG and
the nerf to his top light actually made him
worse as a fighter the animation felt like 600ms
(more than 500 ms) he couldn't rly start anything
because his bash is predictable. They need to buff lawbro
if their sticking to the 500 ms change.

This is just my viewpoint (he actually is trash tier in the TG)
so I guess I'm just gonna have to play differently with him or
just never use him again.