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[jshepherd21]

I feel weird defending SOMM because I hate facing him but just trying to be a realist. He, along with every other strong card in the game, have counters. It’s on the user to learn to beat them.

[Ttttt771010]

Gonna disagree again. No pb or removal, how about enforcer, mind control, dwarf king, maybe hhc (rng dependent). Or you can always throw a tank out there to absorb the first blow then take him out with assassins. Point being as I said in my original post, there are a lot of counters. Is he strong and a pain the ***, absolutely, but you have plenty of options beyond pb and removals to try to minimize his impact.

DKC and HHC I consider as removal lol. They “remove” most units. Also, HHC is a crapshoot, and with DKC/hercules you act like players are stupid enough to leave SOMM unprotected. Enforcer - SOMM is almost always charged by the time they cross paths at mid-line since SOMM is played in the far back, or right behind a tank for an even slower walk. Check out danny’s post where he lists EVERY SINGLE CARD and analyzes how good it is against SOMM. There are 15 realistic ones, and most are spells (that are nullified if they play YPC). And my point stands. Can you imagine if every card had only a handful of viable counters to it out 140 cards? The game would be unplayable.

And thanks for the tip on playing a tank to absorb the damage. Thats literally what I do. Until the play hankey and protect SOMM with other units. Or play UC or trans to remove that tank making me either sit at 10 energy or im forced to play a low cost card just to bait the nuke and hope they trigger it and not wait for me to play another card. Either way you slice it, SOMM is almost always positive energy for those that play him.

Also, this is the scenario I mostly hate being in when playing against SOMM.

It’s a tight and intense battle. We both have 4-5 units on the field. Im just about to destroy his units and get to the NK. Bam - SOMM in the upper right hand corner. I dont have a pb or removal in my hand (or deck). Nuke. My units are all ******. Game over.

Much fun. Such skill.

[dannyb1022]

It’s a tight and intense battle. We both have 4-5 units on the field. Im just about to destroy his units and get to the NK. Bam - SOMM in the upper right hand corner. I dont have a pb or removal in my hand (or deck). Nuke. My units are all ******. Game over.

Can't do that with any other card. There is no other card that guarantees a loss which you do not have the removal for. Literally, you can't even change "SOMM" in that sentence for any other card and it be true.

And yes JS we have gone over every option in great detail in the other thread on countering SOMM. A little over a dozen options (all with anti-counters) for a game with 150 cards (I honestly lost count how many there are). That has the record for the least counterable card in the entire game. And like we've gone over, most of them are spells. Even Buck says "counter with a spell". Spells spells spells. You know I want cards that are alternatives to spells right? I want to see characters fight not a game full of fireworks and explosions wiping the board every 10 seconds.

[AwesomeBasterd]

I am using only 1 spell right now in my current deck. It's a fun deck that I am playing right now involving MBP. It's by no means my main deck... but hey... I'm getting wins.

Also, my only spell in this deck is PB. Do I want it? No. Do I need it? Yes. Why? Because it is the only way I can have a chance against a SOMM deck. Sure I could have a hard removal instead, but apart from my deck being VERY high cost already, that is 1 lost energy on a card I don't want to immediately have to worry about.

There is no other card I have to PB. Sometimes I do for fun. Sometimes I do if they stupidly put 2 charged cards next to each other. But it is most certainly a card I don't want in my deck. I would use something else.. like another assassin maybe. Regardless, ONLY because of SOMM do I have to put in this stupid spell. If it's not up, I have to use Imp and pray that it grabs SOMM.

That sucks. I literally can't make a fun deck that doesn't have a card that is a specific counter to SOMM or I will lose against him every single time.

I find mystical or fantasy are the most played themes unless you have higher levels in the other themes. but if equal, your deck will have either green or red as the base, then whatever color after.
if you have crappy or no legends, then your go scifi with whatever, usually fantasy, until you get levels for X theme. .

Get to see you posted a portion of a deck you just started to play.. and not your main deck or do you even have a main deck? You weren't clear enough.
In the end, If you're running PB powerbind, without UC, you deserve to lose. UC is a great card.

Your reasoning for a nerf to somm is so you can play a fun deck?
thjs is a competitive game. get good or whine for better friendies mode options.
You dont play somm to really have a proper say.
it sucks sometimes to follow the meta, but when the meta moves, you do what you need to do to win.
I run AQR against bradley decks, why my satan is not lv4 yet. I dont get the exact deck I want either waaa waa <---- (mocking baby cries)
When dougies where buffed, I ran Mind Control...
did I want to run MC, NOOoooo, but it was useful when I needed it.
You come across as a whiner. waaaa somm too hard and I cant have fun.
Maybe you shouldn't play competitive games. (get minecraft peaceful mode)

[dannyb1022]

Get to see you posted a portion of a deck you just started to play.. and not your main deck or do you even have a main deck? You weren't clear enough.
In the end, If you're running PB powerbind, without UC, you deserve to lose. UC is a great card.

Your reasoning for a nerf to somm is so you can play a fun deck?
thjs is a competitive game. get good or whine for better friendies mode options.
You dont play somm to really have a proper say.
it sucks sometimes to follow the meta, but when the meta moves, you do what you need to do to win.
I run AQR against bradley decks, why my satan is not lv4 yet. I dont get the exact deck I want either waaa waa <---- (mocking baby cries)
When dougies where buffed, I ran Mind Control...
did I want to run MC, NOOoooo, but it was useful when I needed it.
You come across as a whiner. waaaa somm too hard and I cant have fun.
Maybe you shouldn't play competitive games. (get minecraft peaceful mode)

I literally said I can't use UC because of the high deck cost.

I also didn't say "Nerf SOMM so I can play a fun deck".

I also did say that I was getting wins with this deck.

I also have said in the past that I use SOMM every so often.

I also have said in the past that I have 3 accounts, level 21, 20, and 19, and they all use different theme combinations and I occasionally run SOMM myself.

Also did you really just equate MC to Dougie with SOMM to a spell? You know it's not even close to the same thing right? And MC is only one of the thousands of card combinations you could use to counter a dougie, whereas SOMM's counters are in the teens.

Also, it appears as though you didn't read any of the other posts, nor have any understanding of when people are bringing up legitimate reasons a card should be nerfed because it's considered overpowered that are more than just saying "waaa it's too hard". You sir didn't bring a thing to the table. Just spewed a bunch of crap of which you have no basis to say other than random accusations that are completely incorrect just to rile me up.

[Ttttt771010]

I find mystical or fantasy are the most played themes unless you have higher levels in the other themes. but if equal, your deck will have either green or red as the base, then whatever color after.
if you have crappy or no legends, then your go scifi with whatever, usually fantasy, until you get levels for X theme. .

Get to see you posted a portion of a deck you just started to play.. and not your main deck or do you even have a main deck? You weren't clear enough.
In the end, If you're running PB powerbind, without UC, you deserve to lose. UC is a great card.

Your reasoning for a nerf to somm is so you can play a fun deck?
thjs is a competitive game. get good or whine for better friendies mode options.
You dont play somm to really have a proper say.
it sucks sometimes to follow the meta, but when the meta moves, you do what you need to do to win.
I run AQR against bradley decks, why my satan is not lv4 yet. I dont get the exact deck I want either waaa waa <---- (mocking baby cries)
When dougies where buffed, I ran Mind Control...
did I want to run MC, NOOoooo, but it was useful when I needed it.
You come across as a whiner. waaaa somm too hard and I cant have fun.
Maybe you shouldn't play competitive games. (get minecraft peaceful mode)

Did you really just mock us for wanting the game to be more fun? You do understand what the definition of a “game” is right? Of course it’s supposed to be competitive, as literally all games where there are winners and losers are. But unless there’s some SPPD world cup and 1 million $ on the line for whoever is ranked higher that Im not aware of, your objective of playing this game should be a fun way to spend time, not filling your deck with the dickiest cards that gets you the highest rank. Get the rank you can realistically reach with a strong deck to get the rewards, then revert to fun decks and discover all the card synergies youve been missing out on because you cant move away from the SOMM/Santa+mystic deck that youve been playing since the summer.

[Bing0000]

Hey Camel, should I point out again it was YOUR data. You are the one that spread around wrong information and when you eventually provide data it speaks against you.

[camelchasers]

As usual, it comes back to the same arguments. One player wants to be able to win vs meta decks that feature strong legendaries by using purely non-meta cards, and another has an axe to grind against spells and thinks his playstyle should be able to work in a game that features spells as a core gameplay mechanic. We're probably not going to come together on this one... but it seems clear to me once again that the people who are arguing most strongly for a nerf are the same people who want to make their own non-standard play style function in a way that runs counter to how the rest of ht egame works. Sorry guys, there is indeed a meta and spells are indeed a thing. In light of that, there are plenty of counters and SOMM, while quite strong, is very manageable and in no way in need of a nerf.

And Bing, do you just come out to shout once and a while and try to get a rise before you go back and hide again? You're completely wrong about everything you post. It's not MY data, it's publicly available information that you choose to ignore because you don't like what it shows. I'll link a fresh extract for you that shows... AGAIN... that adventure is not holding any special place of dominance. It's actually the least used theme (SH aside, that one is a joke now) in top 1000 right now. You can also do all kinds of fun things with this site to see most used cards, data ranges, player stats, whatever you want. Have fun and educate yourself.

https://imgur.com/a/A9WRvpK

*edit*
It's interesting to note that a meta shift is definitely underway now by looking at the play data and talking with people in legendary. Since the last buff to MBP, mystical is coming back in a BIG way. All of a sudden it's shot up in the usage numbers and you're seeing a lot of MBP/pope decks floating around. It also acts as a hit to SOMM in a way due to gigantic HP pools that are now coming back in fashion. Even if you somehow were to get 1-2 shots off with SOMM, it doesn't do much of anything to a tank with over 3.5k HP. It really favors heavy fantasy as a response, which also a solid counter deck to adventure. Interesting to see how things mature with just 1-2 impactful card chages per season.

[Bing0000]

Oh i'm sorry, unlike you I don't live on this forum and have other things to do. Still the fact is that you can't even back up things you say with the information you provide yourself.

And here we go again. You provide a link, do I need to summarize your statement again? Last time it disproved your whole point.... I don't have the time to do your ****. Nothing changes with you hey...

SOMM was fine back in the day but is broken now with all these new cards, end of conversation!

[camelchasers]

There is information... you know... the stuff in the link? And my analysis is posted together with it.

It seems like this conversation is bad for your blood pressure and you're just here to try score some kind of weird points against me. I'd suggest taking a break since it's clear you're not really attempting to do anything to add to the discussion.