SOMM should have a radius just like Mecha Timmy | Forums

[dannyb1022]

you mean other then the penalties opf having him bolted, and nullified by 2 cost cards?

while dougie survives assassins, SER

The penalty of having him bolted? What penalty? That is what we call an "even trade" Scott. And Nousella brought that up. It's at LEAST an even trade and at MOST advantage SOMM user.

And don't even tell me that PB nullifies SOMM completely. He is a still a body. With significantly more health and attack than a level 7 Heidi.

[jshepherd21]

Against my better judgement I’m going to wade into this debate. First things first, i don’t think any reasonable person could suggest SOMM isn’t one of the top 5 most powerful cards in the game, and you could make the argument that he’s the best. I personally can’t stand seeing him. Every deck I make, I have to be careful to include several potential counters, I won’t list them because that has been addressed repeatedly. Bottom line, he’s a monster that will absolutely crush you if you don’t deal with him immediately.
All that being said, I’m not for a nerf. SOMM is the cornerstone of the adventure deck and sure he is hugely powerful but there are also lots of counters in all the other themes. Adventure isn’t by any means OP collectively and I therefore have no issue with it having a card that could be described as too strong as other themes have cards that are crazy strong as well.
In general I hate the nerf parade. What I especially hate, looking at you here Scott, is those that whine endlessly about everyone else’s decks but think their strong cards should remain untouched. It’s almost as if you think everything else should be nerfed so you can win easy matches with your now superior deck. Hey maybe after they nerf every fantasy card you can ask redlynx to force fantasy users to stick with their nerfed decks to make it even easier for you to win.
Bottom line, don’t nerf SOMM, don’t nerf DSR, don’t nerf Mecha, etc
If you must make balance changes, how about moderate buffs to underused cards to make them more viable

[Ttttt771010]

Sigh.

You guys will never get it until you make decks without spells.

And when you do, you’ll realize no other card or deck type forces you to have removal spells or power bind in your deck except for SOMM.

And then you’ll understand that the mentality of “removal spells/pb are a core mechanic of the game” is simply false.

They’re not. Except for SOMM.

Every single deck Ive ever made is free of removals or powerbind. And i can handle every opponent that I face. Except for opponents with SOMM. While you NEVER make a single deck without removals or powerbind.

That’s why you’ll never get it.

[jshepherd21]

I see your point but why would I make a deck without spells, that’d be like making a deck without ranged units, you’re severely hurting your chances by ignoring an important part of the game. I also disagree that they’re only needed for SOMM. Sure he’s one of the main reasons I include spells but not the only reason. They’re also great for tanks, mc is the perfect counter for dougie, they can be used for last second zappings of units getting close to evening the score, and they can even be used to get those last few points to take a bar and win the game.
All in all, If you choose not to use spells that’s up to you but you’re hurting your chances of winning by doing so and only have yourself to blame for that.

[jshepherd21]

Also how could I forget, my favorite thing to use a removal spell on is that pesky pope before he brings back your mbp.

[Ttttt771010]

I see your point but why would I make a deck without spells, that’d be like making a deck without ranged units, you’re severely hurting your chances by ignoring an important part of the game. I also disagree that they’re only needed for SOMM. Sure he’s one of the main reasons I include spells but not the only reason. They’re also great for tanks, mc is the perfect counter for dougie, they can be used for last second zappings of units getting close to evening the score, and they can even be used to get those last few points to take a bar and win the game.
All in all, If you choose not to use spells that’s up to you but you’re hurting your chances of winning by doing so and only have yourself to blame for that.

There are like 10 removals/pb spells in the game. There are probably around 50 ranged units.

Also, I do use spells. I use hyperdrive and regen. Sometimes hallelujah. Sometimes pb if i dont feel like dealing with SOMM.

But yes, spells can be used for other units, but theyre not NEEDED. No other card limits your ability to be creative and play the cards you wanna play except for SOMM.

I dont need pb in mecha timmy or SER or GWC. I can handle them fine and their charge ability doesnt **** up my entire deck. If i have pb, I literally don’t use it on any other deck or any other card except for SOMM. So basically if im playing against a non-adventure player, I have pb just sitting there wasting a spot just because I included it in my deck to deal with ONE card.

A lot of the times I use pb on non-SOMM units I end up losing, because I generally could have beat them without powerbinding them and i instead wasted 2 energy for nothing.

[jshepherd21]

I don’t have much argument on the pb point. I’ve never ran it but if I did the only card I’d use it on would be SOMM as well. The removal cards however I use all the time to my advantage. Do I need them, no, but I feel they make me better.

[dannyb1022]

I am using only 1 spell right now in my current deck. It's a fun deck that I am playing right now involving MBP. It's by no means my main deck... but hey... I'm getting wins.

Also, my only spell in this deck is PB. Do I want it? No. Do I need it? Yes. Why? Because it is the only way I can have a chance against a SOMM deck. Sure I could have a hard removal instead, but apart from my deck being VERY high cost already, that is 1 lost energy on a card I don't want to immediately have to worry about.

There is no other card I have to PB. Sometimes I do for fun. Sometimes I do if they stupidly put 2 charged cards next to each other. But it is most certainly a card I don't want in my deck. I would use something else.. like another assassin maybe. Regardless, ONLY because of SOMM do I have to put in this stupid spell. If it's not up, I have to use Imp and pray that it grabs SOMM.

That sucks. I literally can't make a fun deck that doesn't have a card that is a specific counter to SOMM or I will lose against him every single time.

[Ttttt771010]

I am using only 1 spell right now in my current deck. It's a fun deck that I am playing right now involving MBP. It's by no means my main deck... but hey... I'm getting wins.

Also, my only spell in this deck is PB. Do I want it? No. Do I need it? Yes. Why? Because it is the only way I can have a chance against a SOMM deck. Sure I could have a hard removal instead, but apart from my deck being VERY high cost already, that is 1 lost energy on a card I don't want to immediately have to worry about.

There is no other card I have to PB. Sometimes I do for fun. Sometimes I do if they stupidly put 2 charged cards next to each other. But it is most certainly a card I don't want in my deck. I would use something else.. like another assassin maybe. Regardless, ONLY because of SOMM do I have to put in this stupid spell. If it's not up, I have to use Imp and pray that it grabs SOMM.

That sucks. I literally can't make a fun deck that doesn't have a card that is a specific counter to SOMM or I will lose against him every single time.

Can you imagine if every other card was like that? Let’s switch “removal” or “pb” with any other card type.

If you don’t have purify cards in your deck against mimsy, you’re ******.

If you don’t have hyperdrive cards in your deck against GWC, you’re ******.

If you don’t have freeze cards in your deck against starvin marvin, you’re ******.

If you don’t have shield characters in your deck against cupid cartman, you’re ******.

IF YOU DON’T HAVE POWERBIND OR REMOVAL IN YOUR DECK AGAINST SOMM, YOU’RE ******.

GET IT NOW OR HAS IT STILL NOT SUNK IN?

[jshepherd21]

Gonna disagree again. No pb or removal, how about enforcer, mind control, dwarf king, maybe hhc (rng dependent). Or you can always throw a tank out there to absorb the first blow then take him out with assassins. Point being as I said in my original post, there are a lot of counters. Is he strong and a pain the ***, absolutely, but you have plenty of options beyond pb and removals to try to minimize his impact.