SOMM should have a radius just like Mecha Timmy | Forums

[camelchasers]

THIS is the thread with the most replies EVER on the entire forum with 243 posts:

https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthread.php/2166982

(My thread is the second if we exclude the developer updates)

--- SOMM is by far the most discussed, controversial card EVER. This is a proven fact by checking out the reply counts. ---

So my question is:

WHEN WILL SOMETHING BE DONE ABOUT SOMM?

3-4 people posting again, and again, and again, and again and... don’t make a card the most controversial one in the game. It just means there are a small handful of posters who like to go around in circles on this topic.

Come to discord with a larger community and better discussion platform and you’ll see that SOMM isn’t even remotely controversial there. Generally most players accept that he’s a high risk/reward card that has plenty of counters. It’s just the same people bumping the same thread with the same arguments here. No proof of any larger consensus.

[nik_lin]

You know I come here every couple of weeks to check on my thread and post something if I feel like it. I have never been disrespectful against other players or tell admins to do stuff in a demanding manner, unlike certain people, so I don't see why you need to react this way? Feel free to browse other threads if you don't like this one?

I felt the need to respond to your post at least, as I already said you seem to be someone with whom I can discuss with.

Well, you are welcome to come post in any thread you like, and I didnt mean to imply that you are being rude or disrespectful. As you say, there are enough of those on here, and on the internet in general

However, this thread is like a zombie that just refuses to stay dead I'm pretty sure that everything there is to say about SoMM (and whether he has any counters or not, how best to deal with him, if he is the worst card in the game and hated by everyone or not, etc) has already been repeated a whole bunch of times in the 13 pages so far.

And, to be honest, its usually the same arguments going around, and the same people involved, who are just not going to see eye to eye on this one. And most certainly we are not going to experience anyone changing their mind anytime soon based on other peoples posts (on either side).

So yeah... To me, this feels like one of the least productive threads in the forum and Im never excited to see it revived.

[Cural42]

--- SOMM is by far the most discussed, controversial card EVER. This is a proven fact by checking out the reply counts. ---

That thread isn't really that strong an argument over it being controversial. It just means a handful of people were passionately arguing over whether it is OP or not. I went through the posts, and here is who posted on this thread, and how many times:

Demidar90: 1 (originator of the thread)

camelchasers: 74
dannyb1022: 33
Bing0000: 32
ScottOld: 23
Ttttt771010: 18
NoobSaibot2020: 8
Cural42: 8
C0m1xher0: 6
nik_lin: 5
German_Genius: 4

3 posts each by AndrewWang42, Anti-Deranker, and TAMISH2-ZN

2 posts each by MarionCobre2019, Kenny14780, and WallyGT78

1 post each by Filduro93, mitchconnor09, KiraYamatoYPZ82, DIEBeest, TAYVIN_NIGHT, Bucabuca13, Cornered_Pony, crazydud33, Tediz1982, Peyote33, testiclicles, Stelio_K0nt0s86, Void_Away-, Macazulema, kyuss.stoner, and EldinenAT

Of the top posters on that thread, we had camelchasers, ScottOld, and Cural42 (me) arguing against nerfing SOMM (105 posts), and we had dannyb1022, Bing0000, Ttttt771010, and NoobSaibot2020 arguing in favour of a nerf (91 posts). All other posts made up a total of 47, with some on each side, but I didn't tabulate who was on which side for those with 6 or fewer posts.

As you can see, it was really just 7 people making up 196 out of 243 posts. Heavily discussed, but way too few people involved to call it anywhere NEAR controversial.

[AwesomeBasterd]

That thread isn't really that strong an argument over it being controversial. It just means a handful of people were passionately arguing over whether it is OP or not. I went through the posts, and here is who posted on this thread, and how many times:

Demidar90: 1 (originator of the thread)

camelchasers: 74
dannyb1022: 33
Bing0000: 32
ScottOld: 23
Ttttt771010: 18
NoobSaibot2020: 8
Cural42: 8
C0m1xher0: 6
nik_lin: 5
German_Genius: 4

3 posts each by AndrewWang42, Anti-Deranker, and TAMISH2-ZN

2 posts each by MarionCobre2019, Kenny14780, and WallyGT78

1 post each by Filduro93, mitchconnor09, KiraYamatoYPZ82, DIEBeest, TAYVIN_NIGHT, Bucabuca13, Cornered_Pony, crazydud33, Tediz1982, Peyote33, testiclicles, Stelio_K0nt0s86, Void_Away-, Macazulema, kyuss.stoner, and EldinenAT

Of the top posters on that thread, we had camelchasers, ScottOld, and Cural42 (me) arguing against nerfing SOMM (105 posts), and we had dannyb1022, Bing0000, Ttttt771010, and NoobSaibot2020 arguing in favour of a nerf (91 posts). All other posts made up a total of 47, with some on each side, but I didn't tabulate who was on which side for those with 6 or fewer posts.

As you can see, it was really just 7 people making up 196 out of 243 posts. Heavily discussed, but way too few people involved to call it anywhere NEAR controversial.

I shoot down most ideas for nerfs. why because we already have a heidi, sally, and dogpoo.

Most of the reasons to nerf somm are weak.. just like proven above. or other weak reasons like the most played card. when you investigate the data you see somm is the most played in the top 250, otherwise its dogpoo as the most played card.
great detective work on pointing out those that started off for a nerf then had their minds changed to not nerf.
this radius idea.
its terrible!
who are you saving?
the range hero you just put in your back row?
I try not to post too much in nerf topics since you get salesman trying to pawn off their cheap wares with a gimmick. nerfing somm is so popular so that means nerf him.. nope thats not logic.

[thewwp]

That thread isn't really that strong an argument over it being controversial. It just means a handful of people were passionately arguing over whether it is OP or not. I went through the posts, and here is who posted on this thread, and how many times:

Demidar90: 1 (originator of the thread)

camelchasers: 74
dannyb1022: 33
Bing0000: 32
ScottOld: 23
Ttttt771010: 18
NoobSaibot2020: 8
Cural42: 8
C0m1xher0: 6
nik_lin: 5
German_Genius: 4

3 posts each by AndrewWang42, Anti-Deranker, and TAMISH2-ZN

2 posts each by MarionCobre2019, Kenny14780, and WallyGT78

1 post each by Filduro93, mitchconnor09, KiraYamatoYPZ82, DIEBeest, TAYVIN_NIGHT, Bucabuca13, Cornered_Pony, crazydud33, Tediz1982, Peyote33, testiclicles, Stelio_K0nt0s86, Void_Away-, Macazulema, kyuss.stoner, and EldinenAT

Of the top posters on that thread, we had camelchasers, ScottOld, and Cural42 (me) arguing against nerfing SOMM (105 posts), and we had dannyb1022, Bing0000, Ttttt771010, and NoobSaibot2020 arguing in favour of a nerf (91 posts). All other posts made up a total of 47, with some on each side, but I didn't tabulate who was on which side for those with 6 or fewer posts.

As you can see, it was really just 7 people making up 196 out of 243 posts. Heavily discussed, but way too few people involved to call it anywhere NEAR controversial.

I actually want to say thanks for this detailed post. Now let's go over everything one by one.

1.) I am not talking about only that thread. That thread is the biggest on this forum and this one is the second biggest (excluding the updates) but even if I did not start this thread, that thread alone would indeed prove SOMM being the most controversial card. But again, that thread is not alone. We have THAT and we have THIS thread and NO OTHER thread on the forums can even come close to either one.

2.) Now let's talk about definitions and scale. What is controversial? In a nutshell: "Discussed by the public and can not be agreed upon" There is no logic in trying to use terms like "a handful of people" "passionately argued upon" and such... At this point this question comes to mind:

IN ALL THE FORUMS, WHY DID "A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE" "PASSIONATELY ARGUED UPON" SOMM AT THIS SCALE? WHY NOT ANY OTHER CARD?

Remember, no other thread can come close to either that thread or this thread in terms of post count.

3.) That thread has 243 posts and mine has 125 posts. Thanks to the detailed analysis of that forum we can see 32 different people were engaged there and 15 people were engaged in my thread. Now let's talk about that thread only. 32 people posted there. I wouldn't call it "way too few people" at all.

Now, if anyone wants to challenge this idea, they actually need to show ANY OTHER thread about SOME OTHER CARD that can surpass the post count or the number of people involved in the biggest thread of the forum. Analyzing the thread on its own is not logical nor enough. You need to compare it to some other thread to prove SOMM is not the most controversial card EVER in this game.

[camelchasers]

Oh good, our weekly useless bump.

This is the reason the thread is so long, not because of any perceived controversial status. The same 3 nerf posters again and again and again...

[Bing0000]

thewwp, good for you for trying this again! It's such a exhausting conversation here with people that clearly don't want their OP card to be changed and will make up numbers and arguments. What they still don't understand there are way to many targets now you immediately have to deal with or you get 2X Inca or Ninew. So yeah, throw a Santa and SOMM in the mix and you got these insanely rediculous 'combos' you can't deal with. Not to mention a youth pastor Craig will give you 0 options to instantly deal with a SOMM spawning. In my opinion every card should have a range! If Ninjew would have one that would solve this whole DAR ******** too.

The game never has been more boring/frustrating! Every game is pretty much mystic/adventure with DAR, all the legendaries, Santa, Hankey, pope,....

[nik_lin]

Every game is pretty much mystic/adventure with DAR, all the legendaries, Santa, Hankey, pope,....

Really? Because I am seeing a whole lot of scifi combos still... And more and more super heroes in legendary as well.

[camelchasers]

...and will make up numbers and arguments

...

Every game is pretty much mystic/adventure with DAR, all the legendaries, Santa, Hankey, pope,....

As usual, you're probably going to start saying "fake news" again when I post this, but the facts paint a different picture. Once again too, these figures come from sppdreplay.net, the only reliable source of factual play data, and much better than the anecdotal "facts" you are using.

In top 250, the most common theme combination (just as nik says!) is mystic/sci-fi at 20.55%. Mystic/adventure is next at 17.16%, and then adventure/sci-fi at 12.79%, fantasy/sci-fi at 11.97%, mystical/superheroes at 9.91%, fantasy/mystical at 9.88% and adventure/fantasy at 7.77%. We'll stop there since the rest is very low use decks (3% and below).

This means at the top of the ladder, adventure is actually used LESS than either mystical or sci-fi.

Let's try it again with top 1000! Mystical/adventure takes the lead this time at 22.77% with mystical/sci-fi close behind at 18.53%, fantasy/mystical at 13.89%, fantasy/sci-fi next for 11.47% and adventure/sci-fi for 9.38%, mystical/superheroes at 8.45%, and adventure/fantasy with 7.69%. Stopping again here at the 3% use level.

But this again shows us the same picture. Mystical is the top choice (by a big margin!) followed by sci-fi and adventure. In both cases, fantasy is lagging behind, but that shouldn't be surprising based on all the nerfs and sub-par card releases they've had lately.

So, there we go yet once again! You can rant and rave and call me a liar all you want, but those are the facts my friend. Mystical is top dog by a big margin, sci-fi is next and adventure.

But please, keep complaining about SOMM.

[Bing0000]

As usual, you're probably going to start saying "fake news" again when I post this, but the facts paint a different picture. Once again too, these figures come from sppdreplay.net, the only reliable source of factual play data, and much better than the anecdotal "facts" you are using.

In top 250, the most common theme combination (just as nik says!) is mystic/sci-fi at 20.55%. Mystic/adventure is next at 17.16%, and then adventure/sci-fi at 12.79%, fantasy/sci-fi at 11.97%, mystical/superheroes at 9.91%, fantasy/mystical at 9.88% and adventure/fantasy at 7.77%. We'll stop there since the rest is very low use decks (3% and below).

This means at the top of the ladder, adventure is actually used LESS than either mystical or sci-fi.

Let's try it again with top 1000! Mystical/adventure takes the lead this time at 22.77% with mystical/sci-fi close behind at 18.53%, fantasy/mystical at 13.89%, fantasy/sci-fi next for 11.47% and adventure/sci-fi for 9.38%, mystical/superheroes at 8.45%, and adventure/fantasy with 7.69%. Stopping again here at the 3% use level.

But this again shows us the same picture. Mystical is the top choice (by a big margin!) followed by sci-fi and adventure. In both cases, fantasy is lagging behind, but that shouldn't be surprising based on all the nerfs and sub-par card releases they've had lately.

So, there we go yet once again! You can rant and rave and call me a liar all you want, but those are the facts my friend. Mystical is top dog by a big margin, sci-fi is next and adventure.

But please, keep complaining about SOMM.

I'm skimming though your stuff at this point because there is NO point in even takling to you. Yes, most likely your numbers are completely wrong AGAIN but i'm not going to summerize it for you this time....
Let me ask you this and then I'll leave this again. You only/always talk about the top 250, do you really think that's a proper sample to base your whole opinion or the game on? I Guess that's why they had to nerf superheroes right? They were everywhere in the top 250 too. Do keep lying to yourself, it doesn't take away that SOMM is a massive problem in this game. Especially now with the addition of DAR. There is other card like SOMM that has such a massive impact on the game. If you can't deal with it instantly it's game over.