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[Saltreaver]

I just came back to check on the game, have been taking a break for a while and man it's worse than it ever was.
Lawbringer is still cancer number one as i see, he is a ******g nightmare in 4v4. You neutered Raider after all the whining on here but you think LB is ok? Stun,Ub,shove,stun,stun ,ub oh nope just a hardfeint,stun again and that's when hes not turtling. He is a thousand times worse than Raider was. Give Raider his stun back ffs! Lightspam somehow got even worse. And what's up with Aramusha? How could you do him like that? He can get guardbroken during all his heavy attacks. Start up, mid swing, anytime! He is pure useless now.
You guys are a joke, just sell the game to ppl who can actually do some good with it.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

I just came back to check on the game, have been taking a break for a while and man it's worse than it ever was.
Lawbringer is still cancer number one as i see, he is a ******g nightmare in 4v4. You neutered Raider after all the whining on here but you think LB is ok? Stun,Ub,shove,stun,stun ,ub oh nope just a hardfeint,stun again and that's when hes not turtling. He is a thousand times worse than Raider was. Give Raider his stun back ffs! Lightspam somehow got even worse. And what's up with Aramusha? How could you do him like that? He can get guardbroken during all his heavy attacks. Start up, mid swing, anytime! He is pure useless now.
You guys are a joke, just sell the game to ppl who can actually do some good with it.

Yeah, Lawbringer being cancer should definetely be solved by making your main cancer again. Everybody loved to fight that broken bs so much.

[Saltreaver]

Ah Goat, i see you are still here disagreeing with others,that's all you do on here, missed you buddy (like a rash on my sack).
Raider is mediocre at best now, only good thing is his HA. They will never give his stun back, i was just ranting there, these clowns destroy everything they touch. LB now is worse than Raider was you have to admit that.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

Ah Goat, i see you are still here disagreeing with others,that's all you do on here, missed you buddy (like a rash on my sack).
Raider is mediocre at best now, only good thing is his HA. They will never give his stun back, i was just ranting there, these clowns destroy everything they touch. LB now is worse than Raider was you have to admit that.

Maybe if you don't like people disagreeing with your opinion, don't express it in public. I am glad though you missed me.

No, he is not. Lb is still irritating, even after the recent nerfs he got on his parry punishes, but the constant blind was far worse, especially with those over the top numbers. He still has good range, high damage, guardbreak softfeint, a 400ms indicator softfeint, easy access to unblockables, hyperarmor, very high HP, access to good feats, access to one of the best ganking tools in the game. He is not op, but nothing mediocre there. Lawbringer is op of course, but I take him anytime over the old Raider.

Btw, "lightspam" is still the same. You must be rusty, happens after breaks.

[Qoissant]

Ah Goat, i see you are still here disagreeing with others,that's all you do on here, missed you buddy (like a rash on my sack).
Raider is mediocre at best now, only good thing is his HA. They will never give his stun back, i was just ranting there, these clowns destroy everything they touch. LB now is worse than Raider was you have to admit that.

Have to played this game at all? Raider is still easily in the higher average. I think the stun had him at borderline OP, or at least on par with vortiger. Now he is just good. LB was nerf but not enough, his stun is ridiculously annoying especially considering he has shove on red and hardcore parry punishes.

[FuncK_D]

And what's up with Aramusha? How could you do him like that? He can get guardbroken during all his heavy attacks. Start up, mid swing, anytime! .

All GB vulnerabilities are the same now at 433ms on heavy openers. Was a great change IMO.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

All GB vulnerabilities are the same now at 433ms on heavy openers. Was a great change IMO.

Yeah. That was irritating.

[Gaser.]

I just came back to check on the game, have been taking a break for a while and man it's worse than it ever was.
Lawbringer is still cancer number one as i see, he is a ******g nightmare in 4v4. You neutered Raider after all the whining on here but you think LB is ok? Stun,Ub,shove,stun,stun ,ub oh nope just a hardfeint,stun again and that's when hes not turtling. He is a thousand times worse than Raider was. Give Raider his stun back ffs! Lightspam somehow got even worse. And what's up with Aramusha? How could you do him like that? He can get guardbroken during all his heavy attacks. Start up, mid swing, anytime! He is pure useless now.
You guys are a joke, just sell the game to ppl who can actually do some good with it.

While I personlly dont really had anything aginst Raider having the stun, but ist kinda how it is now.


In regards to light spam I will tell you it how it is: If you get light spammed its mostly your own fault (no offense)

Speaking of Aramusha, Glad and Conq got the same Change simple because a GB immune heavy attack from neutral is a way to strong defensive tool and kinda shouldnt have excited in the first place

[Knight_Raime]

Yes unfortunately LB is still a problem. And he'll likely remain one forever unless they plan on reworking him via a new identity. But I don't think that will happen.
Its funny that you mention raider actually because I love making the comparision between LB and Raider. Both were very similar in capabilities. Both could do strong stamina damage. Both could apply blind. Both have HA to trade. Both have high damage.
But the community asked for Raider's head and want LB left alone. Why? Simple. Offense isn't okay. Raider was capable of doing all of that offensively. LB does it all defensively. Despite the community seemingly wanting offense they sure have a habit of screaming down any form of viable offense with "no not like that." And the devs of course appeased them. Absolutely disgusting.


Not sure how "light spam" got worse. They've done nothing to make light attacks more viable for literally anyone. And if light spam is a problem that's on you. It's not when you are in higher skill brackets. Finally Aramusha is still a meta pick in 4's. He only lost the ability to option select with 40 damage. It didn't ruin him. And frankly even if it did the GB vuln changes are better for the game's health overall. A hero shouldn't be "viable" based on something so clearly busted.

[garr1999]

All heavies have standardized 433 ms vulnerability to GB after the first heavy
the second and third heavy have 100 ms vulnerability to GB so they pretty
much just switched values which is a good thing.