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[UG_Meliodas]

Im not trying to be salty but i think that Orochie needs a little nurf. Not one that makes him useless but them light attacks are so fast, not just that but for new players it must be aggravating. I switched from xbox to PC for the higher FPS and i use a 240hz monitor and i still struggle to parry the lights. On xbox in like 30-60 fps its almost impossible to parry unless you predict their every move! Not just that every Orochie i run into just uses light attacks. As an Old player to the game I love it but it is annoying when you constantly get light spammed. Again there isnt a lot that can be done to help them just maybe slow down the attack by like 50ms or even give them a bigger stamina punish for " "cheesing" (spamming)

[Goat_of_Vermund]

You have a punish for "Cheesing." It is called parrying, which, depending on the character, takes a third of the Orochi's hp.

You are totally wrong about the nerf, Orochi is easily one of the weakest heroes, he needs a buff as soon as possible.

You need training.

[iadvisoryi]

Couldn't agree more with @goat, on top of parrys, baiting dash attacks, and being offensive so he can't, counters too. Unless it's an orochi who is a master with deflects, you shouldn't lose to him.

Keep in mind, some attacks, literally, are made to not be reactable, they're supposed to be guessed. Just like other fighting games, even though this isn't traditional, it happens. Just try to utilize the tools your character has. I know it can be annoying but you can learn to fight it

[Goat_of_Vermund]

Yes, it can be annoying, and I think must of us has that day when they just can't do a thing to the Orochi in the enemy team (mostly because latency, but it can happen with a perfectly normal light spammer). Other times, however, when you pay attention, you literally perfect them in seconds.


About the newcomer thing: I never played any fps, how do they learn there to deal with, let's say, campers, who know exactly where the new players will spawn, what routes they will take, what shortcomings their weapons have? I assume that sniper blows their head off a few times before they start to understand that they shouldn't pick a certain alley when an enemy sniper occupies that belltower. In mobas, it is literally the same, until you learn how every hero works, you will have multiple wtf moments (some more experienced people here still have problems with Last Laugh, and it is hilarious how many people I killed while they were emotespamming my corpse when my autorevive kicked in).

E sport is sadely like this, only people accepting that their lost fights come from a lack of experience may grow. Real sport torunaments are like this as well, the kid who kept throwing a tantrum during the chess tournaments after losing was always taking the last place, and he stopped coming after a few years.

[F0D0K]

lol orochi is the weaknest one, he have only 2 things, deflect, but if he play against someone with Hyper armor its useless, and the light attacks, if kill the light attack bye bye orochi, their heavy ( TOP) are little fast but u can just parry them or just block, he cant bait u he doesnt have a opening

[garr1999]

Orochi does have a counter to HA he has a heavy deflect that has HA but tbh he
does need a buff but not for lights give him pressure tools seriously.

Orochi has nothing on 4v4 and this game is being updated
specifically for that so don't listen to the people who complain about
orochi lights because he does not need another buff to his lights their useless
in high level play just saying he desperately needs either an unblockable or
a bash like tozen's kick no one cares about identity unless it's cent then people
will get mad for that since he's an identity that memeable.

[DFQN1]

Im not trying to be salty but i think that Orochie needs a little nurf. Not one that makes him useless but them light attacks are so fast, not just that but for new players it must be aggravating. I switched from xbox to PC for the higher FPS and i use a 240hz monitor and i still struggle to parry the lights. On xbox in like 30-60 fps its almost impossible to parry unless you predict their every move! Not just that every Orochie i run into just uses light attacks. As an Old player to the game I love it but it is annoying when you constantly get light spammed. Again there isnt a lot that can be done to help them just maybe slow down the attack by like 50ms or even give them a bigger stamina punish for " "cheesing" (spamming)

Hyperarmor almost always beats light spam. If you struggle with fast attacks, choose a character with lots of hyperarmor. Shugoki for example can be extremely dangerous for an Orochi if correctly played.

Fast attacks can be cancer some time and I also want them to change but nonetheless the game is how it is right now. Either we adapt or we leave it.

[nukeslayer1331]

In high levels of play orochi sucks.
He should be changed not nerfed, because if he gets nerfed he would be unplayable at high teirs

[Sweaty_Sock]

Im of the opinion (as i said in PK thread) that he needs some sort of resistance to heavy parry punished (maybe no stamina loss).

Its not even high tier. If you pick valk, vort, WL and just spam lights back, yours are as fast and you will accidentally crushing counter some of them. Plus you actually have other moves :S

Edit:you just need to block one light in the chain to end it. Then you both start neutral and have 500 ms lights. block. hit lights back.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

Im of the opinion (as i said in PK thread) that he needs some sort of resistance to heavy parry punished (maybe no stamina loss).

Its not even high tier. If you pick valk, vort, WL and just spam lights back, yours are as fast and you will accidentally crushing counter some of them. Plus you actually have other moves :S

Edit:you just need to block one light in the chain to end it. Then you both start neutral and have 500 ms lights. block. hit lights back.

WL and BP are obviously far stronger than orochi and pk, but those random light throwing thing is a bit overexaggerated. Both of them have a 35 damage deflect punish, and 34/35 damage light parry punish, and while I am not a parry god, I am certain this strategy would never work.