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[Lucifer6six6]

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Say what you want .The truth is.. division 1 got better after each of it's Exodus. Where there still issues? Sure. Did we get underground/pier/survival? Yup! Did we get new missions? Yup! Did we get bug fixes? Yup! Overall better balance throughout the entire game? Yup!

So basically you are alright with them selling you an unfinished game. Got it. Its sad that it took almost 2 years after its release for Division 1 to be an okay game.

[gagoom.]

I can agree with that perspective, you are correct in thinking that if there were enough people fed up with Division 1, then Division 2 would not have happened. My counterpoint would be that the market for cover-based looter shooter is lacking quality options in my opinion and promises were made from the first game to bring back some that may not have returned.

I didn't feel you answer was toxic or negative, you want to understand where my perspective comes from. It's natural

I was in Division 1 since launch since I love the genre, I left very early on because of the issues that were happening with the game but returned after a year or more (not sure the exact time frame) to a game that was incredible and revitalized my yearning for the game again. When I started hearing more about Division 2, I was excited and, like many, believed that the same issues would not transfer. Also taking in consideration the devs and media claimed that 'they heard us and they would not repeat the issues on the first one' (not a direct quote).

It's undeniable that we have a certain amount of the population that complains loudly, others that defend loudly, some that will continue to play and some that won't but there are those who silently decide as well whether to continue or not and whether the new franchise will be purchased at inception, later in its life or not purchase at all. One thing to note, I watch streamers and enjoy the entertainment but I can honestly say they do not represent the population I am part of that is for sure. It's going to be interesting to see how Massive will react to the noise or maybe we have already seen...

I'll agree with you that the cover base shooter market is very stale. The hard thing here is they're also trying to push this as an rpg.. even more than just a cover shooter I think and that makes it extremely tricky when trying to please the masses.

[gagoom.]

So basically you are alright with them selling you an unfinished game. Got it. Its sad that it took almost 2 years after its release for Division 1 to be an okay game.

I enjoyed div 1 from day 1. Were there issues? Yup.. is that what I've come to expect from basically every development team trying to make something outside of a hyper simple linear game. Yup.

Just because your expectations are different from mine doesn't mean either of us are wrong. It just means theyre different. And that's why there's so many options for us.. lots of people with lots of different expectations.

[gagoom.]

Cheating and exploit being the same ? That's a clear case of cognitive dissonance right there.

"the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change."

Here's the quick results of a Google search. I was going to explain it at first.. but.. then I decided you wouldn't listen to it anyway and make your own rules up as you've clearly already done.

[xcel30]

"the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change."

Here's the quick results of a Google search. I was going to explain it at first.. but.. then I decided you wouldn't listen to it anyway and make your own rules up as you've clearly already done.

So did you, game is in poor state, there is no guarantee that will get better, blind optmism is detrimental and just says that the devs can be lazy and bad as they want with any product because "i-it will get better later, r-right?"

I don't see how any exodus is good if it's caused by the game being bad as a good thing, this was meant to be the 1.4 and save all the game, **** just hit the fan due poor quality and bugs

[gagoom.]

So did you, game is in poor state, there is no guarantee that will get better, blind optmism is detrimental and just says that the devs can be lazy and bad as they want with any product because "i-it will get better later, r-right?"

I don't see how any exodus is good if it's caused by the game being bad as a good thing, this was meant to be the 1.4 and save all the game, **** just hit the fan due poor quality and bugs

Having less players whining about getting banned for cheating is always a good thing.

As for blind optimism and all that.. I have enjoyed the game even with its ups and downs and bugs since day 1 div 1. So for me the development team isn't as bad as they are for you. You're entitled to those opinions.. and you're entitled to share them. Sharing them as fact however is not a good look.

[Ehllfhire1]

They were too soft on the cheaters perma ban them.

[xcel30]

Having less players whining about getting banned for cheating is always a good thing.

As for blind optimism and all that.. I have enjoyed the game even with its ups and downs and bugs since day 1 div 1. So for me the development team isn't as bad as they are for you. You're entitled to those opinions.. and you're entitled to share them. Sharing them as fact however is not a good look.

Did you know they added a new bug to striker? you know the set meant to be fixed this patch? if they keep destroying more and more of the game i honestly can't say how you plan to say this only gonna get better and better

[desrocchi]

I feel that majority of those threads may be treated poorly due to the lack of information. Showing a 30 sec clip of a player getting wrecked doesn't show or help anything. Screaming this is broken without any real information isn't helping anything.

Why is it bad to request someone build if they're complaining about the difficulty? Why is it bad to assume that if someone is having that much of an issue with the difficulty that maybe they should scale the difficulty back a bit for themselves instead of to demand the devs change everything for everyone.

There is no lack of information.

We CAN play heroic, we CAN complete heroic missions, we don't need help to fix our builds, we just think the game's very far from being fun, and a complete slogfest.

We find no fun in staying hidden like rats while the NPCs stroll around like nothing, we find no fun in an unbalanced playing field, we find no fun in unbalanced gear and skills.

We CAN make our way through it, we just have an unbearable experience in doing so.

[xigexigexi]

whatever, they banned innocent players,i hate they ,they removed my friends frome div2,massive will pay for it ,I am sure of it